Progressive Pane Set ?

[Ghosth]

So your willing to have everyone wait say 20 days through the tour for the P51 to come out. And for 3 days EVERYONE is in a P51, then the 190 comes out and EVERYONE is flying a 190, or cursing them.

No, no, no,  thank god HTC said NO to RPS.

Never has so much whining been done by so many over so simple a concept.

Endless arguments over deployment dates,  endless whines over which plane should be enabled 3 days sooner.

Thank GOD that HT left all that long ago and far behind in brand W.

You fly what you want to fly all 30 days of the tour and so does everyone else.
You start telling people what they can fly and when and this place will start looking like a ghost town, kinda like Brand W is now.

This is Aces High, you want to fly the Nik nonstop and HO everyone you see you have the right to do so. And we'll call you a HO'er and a nik dweeb and everyone is happy.

[Kweassa]

well.... the truth of the matter is quite different, in reality.

 Batfink is totally right. Look behind how those self proclaimed "I love to kill Lgays with inferior EW rides" types, and you will find that they either;


a) fly EW planes perhaps one sortie out of every one hundredth

 or

b) fly in classic alt/pick situations.. local air superiority, lots of targets to cherry pick, lot of friendlies to use as bait, and lots of squaddies to haul your prettythang out when things go bad.


  Ever seen one of them "I own Lgays with sucky planez" types actually try a field defense against more numerous numbers of enemy Spits, Nikis, and Lgays? I know I haven't.

 On the other hand, since I almost always fly at the worst places to be, I get to meet a lot of the horde/vulch squads - the kind of guys who you always meet in hordes. When they pulverize your defenses with their overwhelming numbers, it is only after then, that you get to see some smartaZZ pilots start bringing in their Hurri1s, or C.202s, or whatever sucky plane they like to haul perks with.


 Basically, it's all bogus.

[BaldEagl]

Originally posted by Kweassa
 Ever seen one of them "I own Lgays with sucky planez" types actually try a field defense against more numerous numbers of enemy Spits, Nikis, and Lgays? I know I haven't.

I can think of three occasions that I've done exactry that.  Once in an A6M2, once in a F4F-4 and once in a Hurri I although I don't consider any of them to be "sucky" planes.  I won't count the endless hour's I've spent doing this in Spit V's (remember the night I was trying to get you in your Spit IX among your hoard of friends BatfinkV?... that was fun.) and Hurri IIC's even though both are EW planes.

All three times went like this... kill and a death... kill and a death... kill and a death... so I wouldn't go so far as to say I was "owning" anyone but I was having fun.

I'm not sure why this would be so hard to believe.  I'm guessing the A6M2 is not so different from the A6M5 although I've only flown the A6M5 once and it was so long ago I really don't remember it.  The only major difference in the Hurri I and the Hurri IIC is that the engine cuts under negative G's in the Hurri I but it does re-start on it's own as long as you don't totally starve it for fuel.  Other than that the 8 .303's are a reasonably capable gun package and hadling is the same.  The F4F-4 with 75% fuel is just a slightly lower powered FM-2 without WEP but 2 extra .50's to compensate.  Oh, and I lied, the Spit V and the Hurri IIC are among my absolute favorite planes in the game and I spend a LOT of time in both (most of last night furballing in a Hurri IIC).

As above, I'm not saying that's all I ever do (fly EW planes).  I like my share of LW monsters too but I also like to challenge myself once in a while.  It's fun.  It's analagous to jumping into a fight where you are outnumbered (and I'm not saying that's all I ever do either) regardless what your in.  It's a challenge and it's fun.

I know I'm not the only one either and I'm not saying this to earn your "virtual respect".  I could care less as I don't even know you.  I was (originally) simply stating my reasons for not wanting a rolling plane set.

[EDIT]  Oh, and if you look at my planes flown list earlier in this thread I've flown EW rides 21% of the time over the past 3 months.  Hardly 1 in a hundred.  And that's only counting planes I'm absolutely certain are EW... the actual # may be higher.

[Toad]

I generally hang out in EW or MW; the 25% of the people that go there to fight in airplanes usually make for some decent engagements and there's rarely enough of those kind of people to constitute a horde.

I don't think those two arenas should be closed and a RP arena substituted.

My suggestions for EW or MW would be to up the ack strength/accuracy to the maxiumum available.

It might cut down on the milkrunning of bases that seems to be the goal of ~75% of the people in EW/MW.

There's never really any "war" going on in either arena. They are both just a perk/rank farm for the dairymen.

Seems  to me it might be a tiny, tiny step in restoring integrity for those that care about score and it might make people actually earn perks.

Flame away.

[B@tfinkV]

Originally posted by BaldEagl
(remember the night I was trying to get you in your Spit IX among your hoard of friends BatfinkV?... that was fun.)  

i dont think anyone was targeting you, sir.


i do remember, although i dont think they were my horde of friends, more general countrymen around me, yes it was fun.



but then i have no problem admitting that i can be a huge dweeb. I enjoy flying the best planes, i enjoy BnZ over a lower horde of enemy, i enjoy la7s, spits, p51s......i love to vulch in the right situations, i have driven tanks onto enemy airfields and camped the VH, i have HO'ed i have rammed i have done everything.
main point being that i dont claim to be anything other than a low down rotten dweeb.

[Fulmar]

Originally posted by B@tfinkV
"I like to fly the la7 or 190 Dora because they are really good planes and give me a huge advantage over the horde of uber rides im fighting. But when i come to the forum i like to say i fly p40b and hurricane mk1, because then everyone thinks im a real man."

would be a more honest statement.
 

I can agree with is.

[BaldEagl]

Originally posted by B@tfinkV
i dont think anyone was targeting you, sir.

Maybe I took it out of context but your statement was very close to the one I made in my original post.

i do remember, although i dont think they were my horde of friends, more general countrymen around me, yes it was fun.

I didn't mean to imply they were all flying with you or you with them but I did find myself in a bit of a mess out there

but then i have no problem admitting that i can be a huge dweeb. I enjoy flying the best planes, i enjoy BnZ over a lower horde of enemy, i enjoy la7s, spits, p51s......i love to vulch in the right situations, i have driven tanks onto enemy airfields and camped the VH, i have HO'ed i have rammed i have done everything.
main point being that i dont claim to be anything other than a low down rotten dweeb.

As long as we're being honest I've done all of those things too and more...

I've camped the spawn on an enemy runway shooting pilots in the head with my .45 cal before they got a chance to take off, I've camped inside the spawn hanger at an enemy VB, I've vulched people off the re-arm pad (Karaya with my Temp... sorry bud) and while trying to land, I drive Ostis onto enemy fields and camp the runways, I'll take the HO almost anytime I've got cannons on board, I rammed a 262 one night with a NIK, got the kill and landed and just last night I cherry-picked a Typhoon in a Hurri IIC (I think he was surprised to see me running him down... lol).  Face it, we're all Dweebs sometimes.

[EDIT]  To add to the earlier post I run into about 1 P-40 per week either playing base defence or furballing (I've never flown one).  I give those guys some respect because the guys who fly the really seem to know how to fly them.

[kotrenin]

How about just dropping the second LWA and limiting the first one to something like 400 people.  First come first serve.  During most of the peek time (probably about 5 hours total out of the day)  the first LWA is crammed and the second has about a third of the players and they are all waiting to get into the other arena anyway.  Its like purgatory.  Why not have them wait in the EWA or the MWA,  and have the second LWA open only on weekends and it is super busy.

[Oldman731]

Originally posted by kotrenin
How about just dropping the second LWA and limiting the first one to something like 400 people.  First come first serve.  During most of the peek time (probably about 5 hours total out of the day)  the first LWA is crammed and the second has about a third of the players and they are all waiting to get into the other arena anyway.  Its like purgatory.  Why not have them wait in the EWA or the MWA,  and have the second LWA open only on weekends and it is super busy.

That's just forcing people to play in your sandbox.  They've tried it, most of them, and the ugly truth is, they don't like it.

- oldman

[Spikes]

Originally posted by BaldEagl
 I like taking on the LW planes in my EW rides.

You're my kinda guy! I love taking out a spit1 getting on someones six; they don't worry about me (they are thinking ! a spit1  HA!) until they get shot down.

[kotrenin]

Originally posted by Oldman731
That's just forcing people to play in your sandbox.  They've tried it, most of them, and the ugly truth is, they don't like it.

- oldman

I bet most of these people wouldn't even care.  Alot of them probably wouldn't mind playing in the EWA or MWA if the numbers were higher.  They look at the 22 people already in there and don't want to be number 23 knowing only 1 other person will join during the next hour.  Sometimes people need a little push to get them moving in the right direction.  It is like this, your kid won't eat his veggies even though they are right in front them, so you take away their desert and watch 'em.  They eat those veggies up every time.  sometimes there's some crying involved but they'll get over it, often they realize the veggies taste pretty good.  And when you put that fat piece of cake back in front of them they won't even remember what they were upset about ( in other words leave the max player set for the LWA at reasonable level.)

[Lusche]

Originally posted by kotrenin
I bet most of these people wouldn't even care.  Alot of them probably wouldn't mind playing in the EWA or MWA if the numbers were higher.

After the arenas were split, EWA had all the numbers. If it was all about numbers alone, I guess it would be still this way. But people migrated to LW arenas... seems like they do care....

[kotrenin]

They are looking for numbers.  That's why i'm in the LWA.  I pay 14.95 a month to fly and fight.  I like hordes, I admitt that I suck 00's without my horde.  Most people like hordes, that's what makes them hordes, lots of people together in a big group.  If the LWA is still a reasonable size that it isn't too difficult to get in with maybe the exception to the peek times on the weekend,  I think people wouldn't mind flying in the other arenas.

[Lusche]

Originally posted by kotrenin
They are looking for numbers.  That's why i'm in the LWA.  I pay 14.95 a month to fly and fight.  I like hordes, I admitt that I suck 00's without my horde.  Most people like hordes, that's what makes them hordes, lots of people together in a big group.  If the LWA is still a reasonable size that it isn't too difficult to get in with maybe the exception to the peek times on the weekend,  I think people wouldn't mind flying in the other arenas.

But the EW arena HAD the numbers.. and people left it.

[kotrenin]

Originally posted by Lusche
After the arenas were split, EWA had all the numbers.

The EWA never really had all the numbers.  The max player set in the LWA was set lower and forced people into the EWA.  But few complained.  Alot of squads went LWA and drew people away from the other arenas because they wanted numbers.  Whan HTC created second LWA and raised player set limit it created a vacum.