Why do bombers

[Tango]

Originally posted by cav58d
It's definately better than any idea i've seen posted from you to start.

I don't buy into the whole it add's SA for bombers junk.  I'm sure the 19 and 20 year old crews in 1944 would have loved this feature in real life too!  Maybe getting rid of uber 360 views in bombers would actually level the playing field and make bombers work for their kills.  Just as in RL, if a crew was lazy and failed to perform their dutys, the bomber would be attacked without notice.

And lets not forget that the aircraft is controllable from all gun positions in AH

Sounds like somebody got shot down by a bomber.

[vorticon]

Originally posted by Sweet2th
What would be the point of HTC wasting 10 hours to fix that for you?

10 seconds to fix that, its just a matter of unchecking a check box.

[cav58d]

Negative.  My superior flying skills make it impossible for bombers to shoot me down...

I'm talking about getting rid of this feature for people like Bagrat and fockwoulfe

[Sweet2th]

Originally posted by cav58d
It's definately better than any idea i've seen posted from you to start.

I don't buy into the whole it add's SA for bombers junk.  I'm sure the 19 and 20 year old crews in 1944 would have loved this feature in real life too!  Maybe getting rid of uber 360 views in bombers would actually level the playing field and make bombers work for their kills.  Just as in RL, if a crew was lazy and failed to perform their dutys, the bomber would be attacked without notice.

And lets not forget that the aircraft is controllable from all gun positions in AH

Well you knew i was gonna post that, you had too:D


Since when did you remember everything i posted idea wise?

[Mak333]

I disagree with having external views in any plane.  

You are in a bomber... you should have to switch to the gunners position to see out of the plane from that view.  Having external views is very unrealistic.  Although, I've been playing this game for years, and now just came back after a 9 month leave and have noticed for a while that HTC does not care much for realism as they do for their community.  Whatever they can make money off of, well, thats great.  They won't change something and risk losing their bomber pilots who love the external views.

I think HTC has even made the game more unrealistic as time has gone on.  It is more of a community than a simulation now.  But is it even a simulation?

[Beefcake]

Do I have to remind people AGAIN that pilots flying B17s & B24s are doing the jobs of 30 men! BY THEMSELVES! If you give me elite auto gunners then you can take away my F3 view.

[Warspawn]

Why does a plane like an IL-2 have external view?  And the Mossie doesn't?  Always seemed odd to me.  Didn't the Mosquito have more than one crewman?

Or is it because it would give the mossie a terrific advantage in a furball, much like the IL-2 enjoys when it's upped for base defense?

[Rolex]

Originally posted by Mak333
I disagree with having external views in any plane.  

You are in a bomber... you should have to switch to the gunners position to see out of the plane from that view.  Having external views is very unrealistic.  Although, I've been playing this game for years, and now just came back after a 9 month leave and have noticed for a while that HTC does not care much for realism as they do for their community.  Whatever they can make money off of, well, thats great.  They won't change something and risk losing their bomber pilots who love the external views.

I think HTC has even made the game more unrealistic as time has gone on.  It is more of a community than a simulation now.  But is it even a simulation?

Hi Mak and welcome back.

I don't speak for HTC but here's a few of my ideas about what you've said. Since day one, Aces High has been a game. It is not a simulation.

There is a balance needed between gameplay, fun and player ability, and realism. If this were truly a simulation, I would guess that 99% of the players here would never get most planes off the ground. They would never even get the chance to shoot anyone down, and certainly not land the plane. Players would have to deal with cowl flaps, mixture, prop pitch, blowers, operational limits, maintenance problems, navigation, weather, winds... the list is long.

I believe that HTC makes rational decisions about the game.

Let's take the Mossie not having external views, versus any other crewed Bomber/Attack aircraft, as an example. I can see a rational reason for it. All of the other planes have a rear-facing gunner. The mossie navigator is seated beside and below the pilot and faces forward. One weakness of the mossie was that the navigator was not any help at spotting out the rear and below the aircraft. He would have had to twist around in the seat (no longer being strapped in), and the cockpit was not a clean place to swing his feet around. Even then, the two of them did not have a good field of vision behind the 3-9 line.

Now, I don't know if HTC used that reasoning, but it makes sense to me.

[TUXC]

110 has rear gunner but no external view.

[ramzey]

cuz its fighter?

What else except better outside view F3 gives you? nothing

Don't try to fix something what is not broken

[theNewB]

Well extern views in bombers are handy at times to see where bombs fall, but i barely use extern myself i fly usuing instruments espically while turning, to focused on maintaining level flight and banking angle, to search for cons while i turn. I believe anything WITHOUT a ball turret or venteral should be allowed to look externally. But ive been flying bombs a while now so it doset matter if we have extern or not to me