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« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2007, 03:25:04 PM »
It's a shame I wasn't one of those CEO's of the oil companies.  I'd have burnt my operations to the ground before ever handing them over to socialists.  Literally.  I'd be the one with a can of gasoline and a match.
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« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2007, 03:37:18 PM »
According to Bill Bradley we could eliminate all OPEC imports by raising the CAFE to 45 mpg.

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« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2007, 05:47:23 PM »
A CAFE of 45?

Let's see... do any car companies in the entire world currently meet that standard?

I suspect not. That may be beyond or technological capabilities planet wide.
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« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2007, 06:17:32 PM »
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A CAFE of 45?

Let's see... do any car companies in the entire world currently meet that standard?

I suspect not. That may be beyond or technological capabilities planet wide.


Back in the 70's early 80's the VW diesel Rabbit could get 49 mpg/ hwy and 43ish mpg/ hwy with a/c based on first hand experiance. Granted their ugly as sin and dont pin ya to the seat with ultra fast supersonic acceleration or slot car handling, but the technology was there then and I'm sure it is now. I'm sure other companies probably have an unsavory model that meets that type of criteria.

Course this day in age I kinda wish I had one of them unsavory models, cause my wallet isnt very big. :(

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« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2007, 06:27:11 PM »
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Back in the 70's early 80's the VW diesel Rabbit could get 49 mpg/ hwy and 43ish mpg/ hwy with a/c based on first hand experiance. Granted their ugly as sin and dont pin ya to the seat with ultra fast supersonic acceleration or slot car handling, but the technology was there then and I'm sure it is now. I'm sure other companies probably have an unsavory model that meets that type of criteria.

Course this day in age I kinda wish I had one of them unsavory models, cause my wallet isnt very big. :(



any 4 banger with a overdrive can  get 45mpg if they want it to.

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« Reply #20 on: May 01, 2007, 06:27:23 PM »
Yeah, there are a few cars that meet those standards in every automakers lineup I suppose.

However, we're talking Coporate Average Fuel Economy. The entire corporation's lineup has to AVERAGE 45 mpg.

I don't know of any companies with a lineup like that.
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« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2007, 06:35:12 PM »
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Time for the Ameribarbarians to invade another oil rich country I suppose.  Try not to mess this one up.


If we do, I hope we use enough firepower to wipe them out completely, then colonize.

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« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2007, 06:40:32 PM »
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A CAFE of 45?

Let's see... do any car companies in the entire world currently meet that standard?

I suspect not. That may be beyond or technological capabilities planet wide.


CAFE is an American construct, not a world wide standard, which is why you'll see "CAFE-equivalent" when talking about other countries.
Compare the overall average fleet vehicle fuel mileage among U.S., Canada, China, Japan, all the European Union counties, and Australia, and the U.S.of A. comes in dead last with the worst fleet fuel averages.

You can also look to Brazil who uses far more biofuels as a percentage of total use than most countries.  China has higher fuel economy standards (since 2003) and are leaning toward diesel fuels as opposed to gasoline as the standard for even better fuel economy (with China, fuel economy is tied with pollution, which is a major concern they are trying to deal with due to it's high medical related costs in it's crowded cities, and not so much about the environment).  China is also encouraging the import of hybrids.

Those nations all have higher standards than the U.S.  Why are American automotive manufacturers losing large segments of the world vehicle market to everyone else?  They can't compete in fuel mileage (and a perception that they are unreliable compared to most).  

Don't think for a moment that the U.S. Auto Industry is on the cutting edge of the technology.  They are not.


Me: I drive a low mileage, well maintained '03 Toyota Tundra that gets about 20mpg at best, and motorcycles that average 40-50mpg -- unless I'm really flogging it---.  Next will probably be a hybrid or diesel  car, or trade the Tundra in on a hybrid-powered Tundra if/when they are available in the U.S.

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« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2007, 07:08:08 PM »
Yet if we use ethanol, corn will become pricey....and millions of Mexicans wont be able to afford tortilias!

So, Curval the Barbarian, what are we to do?  Starve the already starving further?  

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« Reply #24 on: May 01, 2007, 07:23:42 PM »
I averaged 35 mpg on the highway in my '96 Camaro.

I sure do miss that car.
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« Reply #25 on: May 01, 2007, 07:26:03 PM »
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If we do, I hope we use enough firepower to wipe them out completely, then colonize.

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« Reply #26 on: May 01, 2007, 07:42:13 PM »
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Yet if we use ethanol, corn will become pricey....and millions of Mexicans wont be able to afford tortilias!

So, Curval the Barbarian, what are we to do?  Starve the already starving further?  

:)


let them eat cake.

but seriously, you don't need corn, all the biodiesel you need can be made from algae.

http://www.unh.edu/p2/biodiesel/article_alge.html

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« Reply #27 on: May 01, 2007, 08:09:45 PM »
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I averaged 35 mpg on the highway in my '96 Camaro.

I sure do miss that car.


My 98 Firebird 3.8 V6 gets about 32MPG on the highway with two adults and luggage for a week. At 75-80 MPH. I'm thinking about a PaceSetter header kit and a Flowmaster exhaust system. It might pick up a little.
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« Reply #28 on: May 01, 2007, 08:11:25 PM »
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I averaged 35 mpg on the highway in my '96 Camaro.

I sure do miss that car.


my 94 V6 5spd camaro gets anywhere from 30-40 mpg highway

usually depends on how fast i drive :)
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« Reply #29 on: May 01, 2007, 08:18:00 PM »
Yeah, that's why I said 'averaged'.  Mine was a 5-speed with a K&N F.I.P.K. and a Borla cat-back.  One of the things that made it get better milage was switching from 91/93 octane to 87.  handsomehunk me thought it'd run better on the higher oct but the opposite was true with mine.
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