Oil Empires

[JB73]

got kerosene, (just told 1 refinery to make it instead of crude. and wala) and doing raids seems troops steal $1000 each.

there seems to be no limit on attacks, I can attack as many times as I want, and it happens immediately, not a wait like ogame

ahh 3 attacks in 8 hours is all thats allowed.

You have already performed 3 attacks on this facility in the past 8 hours.

Please wait a little bit before continuing to abuse this player.

lol





I don;t get this comment:

Build a 3rd oil pump, switch it between your HQ and your storage tank to keep both full.


are you saying to "connect" the storage tank to HQ? if so how, it is actually right next to it, but HQ is not available to me in the drop down list only distribution centers.




oh yeah 3 of my buildings have a coordinate of xxxx:1337

[moot]

JB73, try and see if that xxx-coordinate building does not seem to get attacked or otherwise ever glitch.. it could make for an exploit

Did you do all the other prerequisites to that oil pump-HQ comment?

You're making a lot more cash than I am.. Can I have your coords to take a look at your setup?
Edit- Looks like you've got almost the same layout as I do.. where does the difference in profits come from?  More pump time?
http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/773_1178134797_untitled-1.gif

The basic wells pump 100units twice an hour, basic refineries do their work twice an hour and 5minutes after the wells output, and basic storage tanks hold 500u, selling it at the distribution point 5min after refinery processing is done, also twice an hour..

nm.  The bottleneck is a basic distribution building.  It only works at 200u per half-hour.

[FrodeMk3]

You need to upgrade your Distribution building, moot. That way, you can walk away from it for awhile and let it pump and sell without having to switch tanks around, or fiddle with the refinery. BTW, my ingame ID is FrodeMk3. Take a look at my setup if you have any questions.

[JB73]

Moot yeah, I'm not worried about it though.

my setup is 2 oil pumping units going into 1 storage tank. that tank going to the distribution center.

3rd oil pump going into its own separate storage tank. the refinery goes only to that tank, and is making kerosene. I am not selling crude from that tank, only kerosene.


once I have more cash I will be making a military base.

from there I will start expanding east... it's wide open.

my alternate cash flow is raids. I have stolen about $180,000 so far, basically hit everyone in range 3 times that isn't protected by cease-fire.


the XXX thing is just me not typing all 3 other coordinates


I HIGHLY recommend an outpost and a minimum of 10 militia to attack with. I posted before each one steals only $1000 so if you send 10 you get $10,000 each raid. you attack their distribuition centers, as they are mostly "inactive" and havent collected the cash from it.

some HQ's have cash, but not most.

after the raid you have to collect the cash stolen from your own HQ.

the beauty is you can raid each building or distribution center 3 times, not just the player. there are a couple of guys near me with 2 distribution centers, thats 6 raids every 8 hours.


hope that helps. personally I'm not going to bother learning about the other refined products for a while, I want to raid and turtle a bit to prevent myself getting raided. Then I will start worrying about learning the higher end stuff. as it is right now there doesn't seem to be anyone really close that has much of a military network YET.


oh another thing... I have been basically spending all I can keeping cash low. I have 2 lvl 2 oil pumps, a lvl 2 storage tank, and lvl 2 dist. center, along with the outposts and militia (currently 30, and 5 more in queue)


last comment, I have found the higher score or something, the more it costs to clear land, it is now up to $140,000 to clear an obstructed area

[moot]

Yep Frode, I got that  If i understand correctly, you don't need that second fuel tank.  Basic tanks hold 500bbl, and the HQ can take 100 in addition to that.
Basic level1 pumps output 100.

Meatwad should get you an invite..


JB73, do the trees give any cover from attacks? I was thinking would make for free partial defense (or at least up the mileage cost for inbound raids) and spread things out against nukes and the like.

[JB73]

Originally posted by moot
Yep Frode, I got that  If i understand correctly, you don't need that second fuel tank.  Basic tanks hold 500bbl, and the HQ can take 100 in addition to that.
Basic level1 pumps output 100.

Meatwad should get you an invite..


JB73, do the trees give any cover from attacks? I was thinking would make for free partial defense (or at least up the mileage cost for inbound raids) and spread things out against nukes and the like.

nope, trees do nothing but hinder development.

as far as "clustering" vs spreading things out, goto the rankings in game, and look at the top player "arseraider's" layout. it's a mess, and hard to follow the chain of oil, but it looks like clustering is a non-issue.

[mandingo]

I'll check it out, only if the handle "GW Bush" isn't taken...

[Meatwad]

Invites sent. If anyone didnt get one, let me know

[FrodeMk3]

Got my invite, Ty Meatwad

Moot, I had to put a second tank setting so I would'nt waste production. What happens is, in order to make Kerosene, Heating oil, gasoline, etc. I noticed that if I put 400 Bbl. of crude in, It becomes kerosene, but doesn't leave the tank. If I go further and make heating oil, It's still there. What happens is, you back up in the production queue, because in order to make heating oil, you need kerosene right in back of it, and Crude at the bottom. To make one high lvl product, you have to have it all in one tank, so it looks like this:

400 bbl. Crude oil
+
400 bbl. kerosene
+
400 bbl. Heating oil
= 1,200 bbl. In one tank.

Now, you can upgrade to lvl. 2 on the tank, and you go from 500 bbl. to 1,500 bbl. I had to do this to handle my additional capacity. However, Now I have to check to make sure that my distribution center can handle it, but it seems that since you have to wait 3 cycles for the finished product, You don't overload it, it's just 400 bbl's of Heating oil.

Since I had some excess pumping capacity, I wound up setting up another tank, and a distribution center. My next upgrade depends on Pumping capacity. I'll probably make sure I can refine and hold it before I sink another well.

[JB73]

Frode, I'd ask how you are calculating all that... but it is beyond me.

I know I am making kerosene, but now I wonder if I am doing it "right" or the most efficient?


here's what I got, and please tell me if and what I should change:

1 oil pump going to a storage tank.

storage tank is NOT selling crude.

storage tank is "connected" to distribution center.

refinery is connected to said storage tank, and set to "kerosene"

the distribution center this is connected to has another separate storage tank connected. THAT one has 1 pump, and the storage tank is "selling" everything. (that should not effect the kerosene production as it is a separate chain, but may overload the distribution center)

[FrodeMk3]

Ahh, you have one refinery. What you will want to do to keep steady production of say, Heating oil, without switching your refinery back and forth from kerosene to heating oil, is to set up another refinery. The base refinery handles' 500 bbl. which is enough at one time. I'm set up like this:

400 bbl's into tank as crude. (do not sell crude.)

400 kerosene.(do not sell kerosene.)

400 heating oil(sell heating oil.)

It all has to go into one tank, so you'll need to have upgraded to at least a lvl. 2 tank. You have to hold all the product's in one tank, so you have to watch how much you put in(multiply product in times the number of steps you have to take to get finished product, in my case 3.)

I just took another look. I could diver Heating oil to my other tank setting from the refinery. So no, you don't really need to work off of one tank. My bad.

[moot]

I see Frode.  As it is, you are selling 2*400bbl of H-Oil every 3 hours.

The schedule is:
T+0 Pump crude & send to tank
T+5 refine & return to tank
T+10 Sell

So you only need to set the tanks to Sell crude OFF if you have more crude than you can refine, and want that crude refined.

[Booz]

I've sent request for invite

[FrodeMk3]

CC, Moot. JB's got it right, I just don't know if he's maxing out the capacity of his tanks/refinery's. The Dist. center is the weak point, I've upgraded to lvl. 2 and can only move 400 bbl. per production period.

I might point out that the production timers are important in this game. Here's a rundown of them.

Crude Oil Production-  :10, and :40 of the hour

Refining Operations-  :15, and :45 minutes of the hour

Dist. Sales-  :20, and :50 minutes of the hour

Things like the Business income( If you have a resort, or a Camel track for example) are at the last minute of every hour.

You actually have 2 production cycles an hour, so if you have a lvl. 2 well, that makes 200 bbl. a cycle, you actually are making 400 bbl. an hour. Refining slows down the rate at which you actually get product sold( once you get into making anything other than kerosene, because you have to take an extra cycle per product.)

A little extra tank capacity might help you keep from losing production, if you get in a bind.

[moot]

Frode, how do you move refined oil to another tank?