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Offline mietla

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« on: May 02, 2007, 12:19:57 PM »
For a while now you are staunchly defending USSR and Joe Stalin in particular. I though I might ask you this:

What went wrong?

Why in your opinion socialism is crumbling everywhere it has been tried. Different countries, different peoples, different cultures, doe not matter. It alway inevitable leads to a total destruction of the society, millions tortured and killed citizens (not only the political opponents but mostly innocent people arrested, tortured and killed just to keep the rest in fear and terror).

In all cases all the nations resources are suqandered and the system last only as long as someone else pumps money into it.

Tell me how socialism can be sustained (even assumming that terror is an available option). How to make it work?
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Offline Mr No Name

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« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2007, 12:33:25 PM »
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« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2007, 12:37:15 PM »
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I am tuning into this one!

this thread is not free. You have to buy a ticket by contributing.
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« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2007, 12:40:15 PM »
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this thread is not free. You have to buy a ticket by contributing.


After all, straw is expensive.
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Offline Nilsen

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« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2007, 12:56:57 PM »
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Why in your opinion socialism is crumbling everywhere it has been tried. Different countries, different peoples, different cultures, doe not matter. It alway inevitable leads to a total destruction of the society, millions tortured and killed citizens (not only the political opponents but mostly innocent people arrested, tortured and killed just to keep the rest in fear and terror).

In all cases all the nations resources are suqandered and the system last only as long as someone else pumps money into it.

Tell me how socialism can be sustained (even assumming that terror is an available option). How to make it work?


On what planet do you find your information?
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Offline Boroda

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« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2007, 01:03:23 PM »
Mietla, Soviet Socialism did one thing that justifies it's existance, and Soviet people literally broke their backs to achieve it.

Two World Wars showed that we need to mobilise all possible resources to survive. After WWII we had to spend over half of GNP on defense, or we could get burnt in a matter of hours after someone decided that we can't strike back.

A country that got completely destroyed 2 times in last 100 years, got cut and divided, won a most horrible war - and then 12 years later went into space.

Problem is that we are naturally ineffective, climate and distances, "region of risky agriculture". We had the last mass-starvation in 1947 here... I mean - we are only 60 years away from mass hunger.

The very existance of Russian nation is a miracle.
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Offline Mr No Name

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« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2007, 01:05:02 PM »
Trouble is, most socialists believe that communism, a very close cousin, only fails because the wrong people have tried it.
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« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2007, 01:05:45 PM »
The NFL seems to be doing well
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« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2007, 01:09:39 PM »
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Mietla, Soviet Socialism did one thing that justifies it's existance, and Soviet people literally broke their backs to achieve it....
The very existance of Russian nation is a miracle.


But .... the Russian nation exists... because...  the Soviet Union failed...  

So... failure = success.

I need to take a couple aspirin....
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« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2007, 01:26:57 PM »
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But .... the Russian nation exists... because...  the Soviet Union failed...  

So... failure = success.

I need to take a couple aspirin....


Russian nation exists because USSR succeeded. Fortunately the rumours of our death were seriously exaggerated.
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Offline Yeager

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« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2007, 01:32:26 PM »
There are still nazis, so it only stands to reason that we have communists to counter the nazi threat.  We just need to keep old Joe on our side of the fence.
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« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2007, 01:34:31 PM »
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Russian nation exists because USSR succeeded. Fortunately the rumours of our death were seriously exaggerated.


So... Gorbachev was actually a great leader that....  I still don't understand... my map of the world shows no USSR but 15 seperate republics.
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« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2007, 01:43:46 PM »
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Trouble is, most socialists believe that communism, a very close cousin, only fails because the wrong people have tried it.


close cousin? :rofl
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« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2007, 01:45:32 PM »
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So... Gorbachev was actually a great leader that....  I still don't understand... my map of the world shows no USSR but 15 seperate republics.


USSR was strong enough to prevent total genocide of Russian nation.

US plans of nuclear attack supposed killing about 10% of Soviet population during the first week of hostilities for purely terroristic purposes.... Mostly Russian people in population centers.
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« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2007, 02:14:28 PM »
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US plans of nuclear attack supposed killing about 10% of Soviet population during the first week of hostilities for purely terroristic purposes.... Mostly Russian people in population centers.


..and then we hear how Soviet leaders were gracious enough to only target the Mojave desert with their nukes.
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