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Offline Hornet33

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Hard headed? A question about the war in Iraq
« Reply #30 on: May 03, 2007, 09:32:00 AM »
Here's the deal. The US is going to be in Iraq for a long, long time. The reason is obvious. IRAN. Iran is the largest power broker in the Mid East. Their president is a complete lunatic, and that country is trying to develop nuclear arms. Anyone who actually believes that Iran wants nuclear power for any reason other than building weapons is an idiot.

So will a nuclear armed Iran in the Mid East be a threat to our national security here at home. YES IT WILL!!!!! Again, anyone who thinks that it's not a national security issue is an idiot.

With US forces already in Iraq, if Iran gets squirly we already have a base of operations to move in quickly and take care of things. We NEED to have troops over there full time to protect our interests here at home.

All those Islamic terrorist groups have ALL stated that the destruction of the US is a top priority for them after Israel (which also happens to be an ally of ours and we have treaty commitments to protect that country).

Considering that we have already been attacked here at home on several occasions by these extreamists, doesn't it make sense to take the fight to their backyard?

Now as far as comparing Afganistan to Iraq, those are two totaly seperate issues when it comes to our national security. We did the right thing going into Afganistan and removing the Taliban from power and going after Al-Quadia there but looking at the big picture Afganistan is a side issue. That country doesn't have any real natural resorces we want or need. It never has been nor will it ever be a large player in the world. Iraq on the other hand is very important. It's geographic location and the resorces it has are very important to our national security. It has been a world player since oil was discovered there. When an important country like Iraq is lead by a dictator like Saddam, well steps need to be taken to insure that country is as stable as possible.

The UN tried for over 10 years to get Saddam to "play nice with others" but it didn't work. Enter the US. Now we are there and granted things are bad but it is a mission we need to be performing. If we were to just pull out of there, Iran would take over in a matter of days. If you think people are dieing in large numbers over there now, what do you think would happen if Iran moved in? It would be a blood bath. Who would be able to stop it?? The UN???

I know people are tired of "stay the course" but that's what we need to do. Too many people in this country of ours get fired up by their emotions about the war and they fail to look at the larger picture of what is happening in the world. Iran, Iraq, Israel.....they all tie in together over there. It's a volitile reagion filled with volitile people and the US is the only country, with the help of the British and few other allies of ours, that has the balls to go in and try to keep some semblance of order. If we weren't there the entire region would soon self destruct and if you think that wouldn't cause us harm here at home....well your an idiot.
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« Reply #31 on: May 03, 2007, 10:11:46 AM »
Hi Gunthr,

Let's start with your first sentence:

"well hey, excuse me for throwing the **** on the table...  but that is what the middle east is, and it is the number one issue on the planet, "global warming" notwithstanding."

You may think Iraq is the number one issue on the planet because the US media and politicians beat you over the head with it day after day, but the majority of the planet does not give a hoot about Iraq, or think it is the number issue.

That's enough. I'm tired already. ;)

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« Reply #32 on: May 03, 2007, 10:29:41 AM »
ok, nappy time. high five.  :)

but i want you to dream about what the world might think about nuclear war - precipitated in the Middle East...
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« Reply #33 on: May 03, 2007, 11:44:44 AM »
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Yup.. its alot better to let the generals run the show un-checked and just give them the funding they need. The media is really just a pain, and one can clearly see that if the cameras had been turned off then the insurgants, terrorists, criminals, rebels and freedomfighters in Iraq would have stopped fighting back and the war would have been won.

Yup.. it should have been done the Soviet way!

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Wow, you spun that one so hard it didn't even make it to the catcher.


No one but you said anything about giving the generals free-reign.  I said that the generals should make the decisions, not the Press.  How it is right now is that all decisions, both local and foreign are made by the press and how they report things.

Like take for example Iraq.  The press wants to show how horrible it is, so they stick to only the really bad stories.  They'll never ever show you any possibility that we'd be doing well.  And the government makes decisions based off of public opinion, which is based off of the Press' reports.

Or the Attorney General firings.  The liberal media turned a  non-event into something like Gonzales had stoned jesus himself.  

The media controls everything now.
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« Reply #34 on: May 03, 2007, 12:03:12 PM »
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Oh, so it's the liberals fault not Bush's? How do you think things would have been if Colin Powel was the CIC instead of Bush? Same outcome? I think not.

It's not the color of the paint, it's what's under the hood. But, nice try at blaming it on somebody besides the responsable party.

Frode, TY for pointing out that CANADA not the Middle East is our primary source of imported oil.


I re-read what I posted several times. I don't think I layed the blame at the Libs feet.

I simply stated that instead of playing politics like they are , why not use the power they have and just end it. They won't. They'll continue to pissandmoan due to thier wanting to stay in power. Playing politics is the #1 goal in D.C. whether its LIBS or Cons. They both at this point have my upmost disdain.

Fault lies with Bush , Clinton , Bush Sr. and all the politicians in EACH of thier admins. It lies with the U.N.. There are a number of places IMO to sling mud. Not just Libs , but Conservatives as well.

Being a conservative that I am.....I find the whole act a frikin Joke and hope someday , in my lifetime , to see term limits on every elected official in this country. From Dog catcher to the POTUS. And remove this carrer obstructionist government that we have in place.
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« Reply #35 on: May 03, 2007, 12:32:22 PM »
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I re-read what I posted several times. I don't think I layed the blame at the Libs feet.

I simply stated that instead of playing politics like they are , why not use the power they have and just end it. They won't. They'll continue to pissandmoan due to thier wanting to stay in power. Playing politics is the #1 goal in D.C. whether its LIBS or Cons. They both at this point have my upmost disdain.

Fault lies with Bush , Clinton , Bush Sr. and all the politicians in EACH of thier admins. It lies with the U.N.. There are a number of places IMO to sling mud. Not just Libs , but Conservatives as well.

Being a conservative that I am.....I find the whole act a frikin Joke and hope someday , in my lifetime , to see term limits on every elected official in this country. From Dog catcher to the POTUS. And remove this carrer obstructionist government that we have in place.


Couldn't have said it better myself! TERM LIMITS!  :aok

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« Reply #36 on: May 03, 2007, 12:37:47 PM »
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Fault lies with Bush , Clinton , Bush Sr. and all the politicians in EACH of thier admins. It lies with the U.N.. There are a number of places IMO to sling mud. Not just Libs , but Conservatives as well.

Agreed.

Clerik, I was responding to red top's post blaming the libs.
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« Reply #37 on: May 03, 2007, 12:41:59 PM »
Imagine it's 1776,and Iraq is a British colony,and the Iraqi ppl are Americans.That is why you have lost and that is why you  can't win.

Your forefathers were insurgents once,you really should read your own and other peoples history before you go rearanging the Globe.;)
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« Reply #38 on: May 03, 2007, 12:55:10 PM »
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Imagine it's 1776,and Iraq is a British colony,and the Iraqi ppl are Americans.That is why you have lost and that is why you  can't win.

Your forefathers were insurgents once,you really should read your own and other peoples history before you go rearanging the Globe.;)


If you think that the insurgents are fighting for freedom or fighting FOR Iraq then i have to whole heartedly dissagree.  Our forefathers were gurilla fighters, maybe, but they werent invading Canada to fight the British JUST because they hated the Brits.  They were fighting on home soil to earn the freedoms we now have.  

The insurgents in Iraq are for the most part NOT Iraqi.  They are Sirian, Iranian, Al Queda.  They are flooding INTO Iraq, hence the insurgent label, to fight Americans becauase they see us as "the great satan".  They are not fighting for Iraq in the same way we are.  They are fighting in hopes of conquring.  If we pull out before fixing this issue Iraq will be no better off then it was, in fact it is reasonable to assume that it wil be far worse.

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« Reply #39 on: May 03, 2007, 01:08:31 PM »
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Imagine it's 1776,and Iraq is a British colony,and the Iraqi ppl are Americans.That is why you have lost and that is why you  can't win.

Your forefathers were insurgents once,you really should read your own and other peoples history before you go rearanging the Globe.;)


zero comparison - did you sleep through American History class?
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« Reply #40 on: May 03, 2007, 01:17:52 PM »
Are you honestly trying to tell me that the problems in Iraq are all caused by outsiders,your independece was rightly supported by outsiders,anyone who hated the British in fact.The French in particular,and as for fighting for freedom,only for white Americans if I recall.

The war in Iraq is lost,Bush can't get out and save face,and my God he knows it.He'll talk to anyone that can find him a way out.

If you know please tell him he would love to know.
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« Reply #41 on: May 03, 2007, 01:19:24 PM »
Yes,but you were in a coma;)
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« Reply #42 on: May 03, 2007, 01:22:29 PM »
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The war in Iraq is lost,Bush can't get out and save face,and my God he knows it.He'll talk to anyone that can find him a way out..


If we lose the war, it will not be Bush that loses it.
If we stick it out, history will prove the rest of your ramble wrong as well.
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« Reply #43 on: May 03, 2007, 01:25:53 PM »
Foriegn soldiers walking down your street telling you how to run your country and use it's resources,what would you do?put flowers in their gun barrels?

A puppet leader who used to work for the cia,is no better than a viceroy.
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« Reply #44 on: May 03, 2007, 01:28:28 PM »
Your right about one thing,History will be the judge.Agreed.:aok
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