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Offline Krusty

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« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2007, 04:06:32 PM »
Also, don't forget those Ju87Gs armed with 37mm guns often used them against unarmed river barges, "soft" truck convoys, and all manner of non-tank-related targets.

Guns vs GVs are overrated. Take anything over 100kg and you can pop a panzer. Anything over 250lbs and you can pop a tigr.
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Offline Karnak

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« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2007, 04:50:36 PM »
Not really Krusty.

I dropped two 500lb bombs from my Mossie's bomb bay on a Tiger, one hit the tank directly (hit sprite) and the other blew up about half a Tiger's width from the Tiger.  Damage to the Tiger?  Nada, nothing.

Eskimo (the Tiger's driver) did exclaim "That was loud!" though.
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« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2007, 06:31:11 PM »
wishing for a sencond version of IL-2.... IL-2m3, my book says it have 37mm cannons along with 8x rockets, and 200 hollow charge anti-tank guns.

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« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2007, 07:09:15 PM »
Okay, you're right... usually takes a pair of 2000lbs several times over to kill a Tigr, but in THEORY a 250 lb can kill it. Heh.

But I've popped panzers multiple times using the 100kg bomb on the IL2, so that part's right.
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« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2007, 07:39:29 PM »
I wish after a while of shooting a panzer with my 20mm rounds from my C-hog it finally took out the turret. Only because there was no way a panzer could withstand 3 re-upps from a C-hog (BTW, I hit 90% of the time in those 3 re-upps)
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« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2007, 07:48:41 PM »
I killed a Tiger with 2 500lbers from an A-20 yesterday... But that is the exception rather than the rule. For me anyway, tigers are usually indestructible and made out of titanium.

The IL-2 guns are somewhat effective for me. I was able to knock out the engines of numerous Panzers and M4's during a GV raid yesterday, but I had to come in below treetop level, in the nape of the earth and wait till i was 400yds or closer away, and at a perfect 90 degrees to the side of the tank before firing. Even then it took 2 or 3 passes before results.

The only beef I have is with the flaks. An F6 or 110G can take out my turrent in 2 or 3 pings, while i pummel a flak with the 23mm AP from an IL2 and does nothing. Solid hit sprites and flat angles and all. Probably "lag" or some other computer voodoo thats never on my side in that situation.
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« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2007, 08:05:18 PM »
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The only beef I have is with the flaks. An F6 or 110G can take out my turrent in 2 or 3 pings, while i pummel a flak with the 23mm AP from an IL2 and does nothing. Solid hit sprites and flat angles and all. Probably "lag" or some other computer voodoo thats never on my side in that situation.


F6 and 110G have an advantage in this situation: sheer volume of fire. The turret has no top so about any gun can pop it. But it's important that the angle is steep, not flat. At flat angles you will hit the turret's armored walls.
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« Reply #22 on: May 04, 2007, 02:43:35 AM »
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So...the best tank buster on the eastern front couldn't bust tanks?  I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just wondering how it got such a wicked reputation and why Comrade Joe would insist on pushing IL-2 production at the expense of fighters that used the same engine.  Bombs and rockets?


IL-2 was best attack plane because of number of advantages such as protection, armament, flight characteristics and so. It can stay over frontline long enough to support troops even inside enemies AA range.

IL-2's main antitank weapon was PTABs not guns. One plane can carry ~200 bombs (1.5 - 2.5 kg each) and single hit would destroy any tank.
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« Reply #23 on: May 04, 2007, 03:40:32 AM »
Then let's hope the "perked ordnance" thingy we're all waiting for, brings some useful gifts to the IL-2 for use against some of the more heavily armoured tanks.

 I wouldn't mind those AT bombs and 37mm AP cannons for the IL-2. Maybe 10 perks for each? :D
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« Reply #24 on: May 04, 2007, 07:03:28 AM »
10 perks for each bomb, 2000 perk per load? :O
Is it little too much? :D
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« Reply #25 on: May 04, 2007, 07:24:25 AM »
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10 perks for each bomb, 2000 perk per load? :O
Is it little too much? :D


Nah.  10 perks per ROUND!

Where in Russia, Oleg?  It's a reasonably large country.
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« Reply #26 on: May 15, 2007, 09:28:24 PM »
I cant even count now how many times I hit  a Shermie with my Tiger 3, 4,5 or more times and they just bounce off but one shot from the shermie at 2300 yrds and my Tiger is toast. I wish they never put these things in the game. Total BS. :furious
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« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2007, 03:10:21 AM »
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Not really Krusty.

I dropped two 500lb bombs from my Mossie's bomb bay on a Tiger, one hit the tank directly (hit sprite) and the other blew up about half a Tiger's width from the Tiger.  Damage to the Tiger?  Nada, nothing.

Eskimo (the Tiger's driver) did exclaim "That was loud!" though.


Wonder if we'll ever get the 60lb rockets carried by both the Mossie and Tiffy instead of the pathetic 'generic' ones we have now.
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« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2007, 12:36:02 PM »
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Wonder if we'll ever get the 60lb rockets carried by both the Mossie and Tiffy instead of the pathetic 'generic' ones we have now.


CC that Kev....

It would be nice to have some options in the hanger other than the "generic" ord that we have now.

Plus I have tried to contact someone from HT (I think Pyro) but didn't get any response back from my questions about the rockets in game.
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« Reply #29 on: May 16, 2007, 01:02:52 PM »
The firefly armour should not be this strong. Only the gun was upgraded. I agree with the IL2's being different. They just don't pack the same punch.
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