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Offline Brooke

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« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2007, 08:34:11 PM »
I picked the P-38J to fly for a month or so.  For me, it was a difficult plane to get proficient in for a few reasons.  First, the J does seem to handle poorly at high speed, especially with roll.  Second, I, too, was not used to a concentrated stream of bullets as opposed to a spread pattern of them.  I would miss a lot of shots.  Third, I would compress a lot.  I'd dive down on someone or something, fixate on my target, disregard the groaning/shaking warning for a second or two too long, and auger.

Compared to most US planes, it climbs great.  It also has good lethality and ammo load.  I would sometimes not even use the cannon against fighters -- just the MG's -- if I felt I could get in a good burst.  That seemed plenty lethal enough to put down a fighter.  I'd save the cannon for bombers, for when I had only a snapshot, or for when my MG's ran out (which was infrequent).  There are a larger number of planes that can both catch the P-38 and outturn it, which makes it more dangerous to fly than, say, a P-51, which can outrun most things that can outturn it, or a Spit, which can outturn most things that can catch it.

Once I got used to being careful of compressibility and improved my gunnery, I did OK in it and do like the plane.  But, I do think it's one of the more difficult planes to get proficient in -- at least that's how it was for me.

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« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2007, 09:23:39 PM »
I dont fly the 38 very much, it simply doesnt "fit" how I fly all that weell. I did spend most of the april tour flyint the A-20. I do think there is a lot of similiarity in "style"....

To me the biggest thing about the 38 is attitude. You need to be mentally agressive but fly a bit "passively". What I mean by that is that any wasted E or angles haunts you more...but once you make your move the planes stability zoom and center mounted guns make it super uber. If you can learn to put the plane in the proper positions its tremendous. If you cant fathom the nuts and bolts of what that positioning is then like me your just a flying target. To me the 38 is a plane you need to be way out ahead of...its not a reactive counter puncher....then again I suck in it so it might just be me:)

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« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2007, 09:27:46 PM »
I really like the P-38, took a while to get proficent.  The L model will carry a good bomb/rocket load and still carry the fight as a fighter.  It is a little quirky at high speeds (compressing).  :aok :noid
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« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2007, 09:58:02 AM »
Plenty of film examples on our squad site of what can be done with a P-38.

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« Reply #19 on: May 07, 2007, 10:26:14 AM »
38 has about 35 minutes on full throttle with 100% internal fuel. I never take off with less than 75%, and rarely that low. I almost always take full internal and if I'm flying to a target some way away a DT.

Spitfires, notably short legged, have only 30 minutes or so. C205s, also very short legged, have 30 minutes or so.

38s are short legged, except for the DTs. I say take a DT but don't take 50% unless you're suicidal and don't expect to make it out of your first fight. If you WANT to fight more than 1 fight in a sortie, you need to take enough gas to do it, IMO.


Sure, it flies nicely when it's got half gas -- but so does every other plane in the game. IMO I don't tailor the gas to the Gs I want to pull, I tailor it to how much ammo I have, and the 38 has a crap-load of ammo!

I've landed 8 kill sorties in that thing without hotpadding. Only way to do that is if you have enough gas to stick around to kill the red planes with, IMO.

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« Reply #20 on: May 07, 2007, 10:40:01 AM »
or keep the DT's and club a few baby seals ;)
.. and drop them if you get into trouble and really need to fight.. more than 50% gas in a P-38(J/L) aren't good for dogfights.
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« Reply #21 on: May 07, 2007, 10:52:24 AM »
One full DT is about 960 lbs.  Each 25% of internal fuel is about 600 lbs.  Do the math, use what works for you.  I prefer to be at less than 16,000 gross lbs for any sustained maneuvering, which makes my standard loadout 50% and 1 DT.  That has been enough time for me to rtb up to 18 kills with the L or J model :)

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« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2007, 11:17:37 AM »
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38 has about 35 minutes on full throttle with 100% internal fuel. I never take off with less than 75%, and rarely that low. I almost always take full internal and if I'm flying to a target some way away a DT.

Spitfires, notably short legged, have only 30 minutes or so. C205s, also very short legged, have 30 minutes or so.

38s are short legged, except for the DTs. I say take a DT but don't take 50% unless you're suicidal and don't expect to make it out of your first fight. If you WANT to fight more than 1 fight in a sortie, you need to take enough gas to do it, IMO.


Sure, it flies nicely when it's got half gas -- but so does every other plane in the game. IMO I don't tailor the gas to the Gs I want to pull, I tailor it to how much ammo I have, and the 38 has a crap-load of ammo!

I've landed 8 kill sorties in that thing without hotpadding. Only way to do that is if you have enough gas to stick around to kill the red planes with, IMO.


     You must be flying a different 38 than I am then...short legged???
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« Reply #23 on: May 07, 2007, 11:38:35 AM »
I consider 30 minutes on internal fuel "short legged".

Mind you, I said it gets its range through DTs. It carries 300 gallons externally, almost doubling its capacity, I think?

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« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2007, 12:00:27 PM »
I've found that one disadvantage of the p-38 is that people seem to key in on it BECAUSE they think it's an easy kill.

I've read some theories that people will go after El-Feys and 51s first as they represent uber threats that must be eliminated asap.

On the contrary I've found more often than not that people will go for the supposed easy kill first.

Also doesn't help that the rarity and bulkiness of the 38 makes it impossible to lose yourself in the crowd.  I always feel like a magnet for target fixation when in a 38.

I will say that if you can get a guy to overshoot without hitting the massive target the 38 presents, its low speed stability makes killing that sucker a simple affair.  Those big flaps are beautiful.  Feel like a hawk killing a sparrow in those cases. :aok

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« Reply #25 on: May 07, 2007, 12:27:23 PM »
38 is definately a flying target.  For a slow 38G flyer that's perfect as the bad guys always come to me :)

Of course my goal is to coat the MA in my 38G parts so that helps too.:aok
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« Reply #26 on: May 07, 2007, 12:35:36 PM »
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I've found that one disadvantage of the p-38 is that people seem to key in on it BECAUSE they think it's an easy kill.

I've read some theories that people will go after El-Feys and 51s first as they represent uber threats that must be eliminated asap.

On the contrary I've found more often than not that people will go for the supposed easy kill first.

 


I have to agree.... some people do go for the high threat targets first.  But your average MA flyer who are the rank and file in the arenas will go for what is preceived as the easy mark first every time.  How often do you see 5 people attacking 1 low set of bombers while enemy fighters are milling around?

In a lot of eyes the 38 isn't much more adept @ fighting than a bomber, and is seen as an easy target.  Add to that the fact that many people use it as a pork and auger ride (38L) and you just re-enforce that preception.
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« Reply #27 on: May 07, 2007, 12:37:40 PM »
In my defense, I see the 38 as more of a threat than the average spit or lgay or even p51, so I'll kill it first to get it out of the equation, not because it's an easy mark.

If it is, that's just puddin', but not why I take it on first. Same for Ki84s.

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« Reply #28 on: May 07, 2007, 12:50:27 PM »
I tend to go for the biggest threats first.  I rarely view a 38 as the biggest threat.  Not many (average) pilots in the MA's fly it well but even an average pilot in a Spit or a NIK needs to be considered.

BTW, love the 38G... you can keep the J and the L.
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« Reply #29 on: May 07, 2007, 01:07:36 PM »
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BTW, love the 38G... you can keep the J and the L.


What can the G do that the J and L cannot?

Further, what can the J do that the L cannot?  Only difference I can tell is the L has those dive brakes.