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Offline texasmom

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« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2007, 09:45:13 AM »
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Never would have thought otherwise, mom -- I just have trouble passing up an opportunity for a bad pun!


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« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2007, 09:48:14 AM »
I will shoot you from any and every possible angle, but I will always fight to survive.  Anyone who whines about head on shots needs to find another game to play.  One by themselves preferrably.
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« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2007, 10:17:24 AM »
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I will shoot you from any and every possible angle, but I will always fight to survive.  Anyone who whines about head on shots needs to find another game to play.  One by themselves preferrably.


Absolutely!  If you were to ask the "real" Yeager if he would shoot in the HO situation  I'm sure you could not repeat what he would have to say here on this forum but his answer could be reduced to a "YES."

As for me, I hate HOs and will work hard at staying out of them unless that is the very last card I have to play.  BUT, it is MY responsibility to avoid them, not my opponent's!
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« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2007, 10:18:16 AM »
Look! A dead horse! Grab your ax handles!
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« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2007, 10:20:18 AM »
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Look! A dead horse! Grab your ax handles!


I know, I know.  Just couldn't resist sorry.  :o
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« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2007, 01:48:53 PM »
IMO:  What The HO Is And Isn't.

For myself, a HO is only an HO (as usually complained about) when there has NOT been a any type of sharp turn or maneuver by the opposing pilot for at least 3-4 seconds or more prior to the moment of the HO, i.e. we are relatively alone 1 v. 1 and he planned, presented and pursued the HO situation deliberately.  HO angles can occur during furballs and are most often unintentional, and sometimes the best option of the moment.  This is not really the classic HO of whiner fame.

Having said that, I believe any possible angle of a shot at me, at any time, at any place, from any opponent is still a "fair" shot.  It may seem cheap at the time, but
(a) he took the opportunity (however, dweebish and stupid it may be) and made the hit, and  
(b) I wasn't good enough, smart enough, or paying enough attention to avoid the shot.   PERIOD  My bad.  I "let" him get a shot on me.
The HO is a 50-50% proposition so it's actually the "fairest" engagement a bandit can give you, and therefore, one you want to avoid.

Result: he got an essentially skill-less kill and gained no additional ACM skill or practise, and has actually reinforced this condition in his flying.  I got a sharp reminder to play the game my way, not his.  

But this outcome doesn't happen very often any more because now I take my plane Out Of Plane with him just prior to the moment I expect him to shoot, usually with a rollover and pull up for a vertical Lead Turn.  Done properly, only the luckiest of shot will will even ping me.  While he's pushing his nose down or around to follow me (losing E or turn advantage) I'm already a half-step ahead of him in my OODA Loop process and resulting manuevers, i.e. I've gained at least some angle and working one step ahead of him on getting a kill from his 6 o'clock.

Result: I have fewer deaths AND more kills in this situation than before as I've converted an originally 50-50% engagement into something more in my favor, like 80-20%.  Effectively, my kill-to-death ratio went up as did fighter score.
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« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2007, 05:39:59 PM »
Get up Flicka. Get up before the guys with chainsaws come at you.



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« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2007, 05:55:42 PM »
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Never would have thought otherwise, mom -- I just have trouble passing up an opportunity for a bad pun!


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Last night she devil was reading Peter Rabbit to the younglings and came to the part where it goes 'scritch scritch was the sound the hoe made' and we both said at the same time 'that's NOT the noise a ho makes'

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« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2007, 06:38:15 PM »
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threadjack

Last night she devil was reading Peter Rabbit to the younglings and came to the part where it goes 'scritch scritch was the sound the hoe made' and we both said at the same time 'that's NOT the noise a ho makes'

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« Reply #24 on: May 09, 2007, 10:05:51 PM »
Lol i saw gay street oddly first thing that popped into my head was sesame street 0.0 bigbird oh n03$

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« Reply #25 on: May 10, 2007, 02:28:51 AM »
Sometimes i fire on the HO, and sometimes i don't. If the force tells me that FTDEEP is in that mossie i see then i will go for the HO because i know ch200 will be a blast the following hours :D

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« Reply #26 on: May 10, 2007, 07:44:26 AM »
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At the risk of another *yawner* HO thread...

I posted a while back that I would HO any of y'all w/out feeling guilty about it.  Truth is: I don't even fly unless it's squad night.  And if I do ever fly, I spend the entire time augering.

But I get it now. I play online backgammon (more than I play AH).  It drives me up one wall and down another when my opponent bumps me for no good reason.  If they bump (often losing their own tactical advantage, and placing themselves in a worse position than before the bump) merely to bump, it gets me *steaming* mad.

Ok... so now I understand y'alls frustration about the HO. And I changed my mind; if I ever learn to fly I won't HO ya.


I do suck at flying, so I dont assume you take my view as ex catedra but...
...It takes 2 to HO
...From what I read on lead turn most of the examples are from a HO position.
...HO is a defensive manouver to deny the oponent an advantage.

I whould assume that all this whining about HO comes from someone that thinks that he is better than he really is.

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« Reply #27 on: May 10, 2007, 07:57:05 AM »
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I do suck at flying, so I dont assume you take my view as ex catedra but...
...It takes 2 to HO
...From what I read on lead turn most of the examples are from a HO position.
...HO is a defensive manouver to deny the oponent an advantage.

I whould assume that all this whining about HO comes from someone that thinks that he is better than he really is.

HO's are for scared people.  HO's are for people who should be playing asteroids.  HO's are for the weak and unskilled.  HO's are the most unskilled approach at fighting in a flight sim game.   HO's are for people who would rather take the 50% chance at winning when it only takes learning to make the % higher.  HO's are for losers!:aok

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« Reply #28 on: May 10, 2007, 06:56:23 PM »
There are many more options regarding the ho situation other than going for it...I have my own little trick i use to gain 100 percent advantage in a ho situation...but this move is dependant on opponent speed and type of aircraft they fly...this move usually puts me at between 400 and 600 away from target and leaves me an open window of about 4 seconds to make the shot..usually works but not always..next time you see me online ...ask and ill show you as it is too long of an explanation to type ..good luck ...and with this particular manuever..ive been accused of cheating and the "how the hell did you do that" on 200 :)...it rocks!!

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« Reply #29 on: May 11, 2007, 09:29:01 AM »
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just prior to the moment I expect him to shoot, usually with a rollover and pull up for a vertical Lead Turn.


I'm having a hard time visualizing this. Rollover....implies inverted...Pull up.....implies right side up.

Are you saying you flip over, pull towards the ground and roll back upright and pull up?

Or maybe I'm just slower than normal. Midnight shift sucks........


i dont got enough perkies as it is and i like upen my lancs to kill 1 dang t 34 or wirble its fun droping 42 bombs