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« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2007, 10:54:31 AM »
I just painted my house last year and it was a blast and i paided a 1/3 of the price even after buying 2 cool tools to do the job with, First i got a 2000PSI Gas PowerWasher which did a fantastic job on the exterior of the home it took all the crap off and didnt harm the siding ( it would if you left it on one spot) Make sure you use a good quality siding wash, A good wash will have chemicals in it to kill mold spores and help lift the dirt and gunk.

Then my cool tool 2 was a wagner model 177 Airless Sprayer with a 2 1/2 Gallon Reservoir with this i made quick work of the house 2 day job Max including the slow trim painting process, with the airless i was using a metal straight edge along the trim and it worked great for keeping the paint off the trim.

Paint the house first then the trim last, Use a good ladder and you wont need to lean it on the house, even if you do wrap rags around the ladder where it touches the house and that will protect the paint

Total Cash outlay   Tools, $129 power washer  $169 Wagner Airless
Paint, 10 gallons House and 4 gallons trim Paint $150  Tape and Caulking $ 30  Total around $478
 
i was quoted prices from $2500 to 3600 from Painting Contractors. After the wife heard this buying the tools so i could Paint the house myself and save us alot of money wasnt so bad

Funny note thou... Now i make extra money Painting Friends homes and making $600 labor for doing it they just buy the paint and tape   :lol :lol :D

This year im redoing my decks so the pressure washer is doing its job very nicely stripping the crap off so i can re-stain it   TOOLS RULE :aok
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« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2007, 02:47:43 PM »
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Originally posted by 68ZooM
I just painted my house last year and it was a blast and i paided a 1/3 of the price even after buying 2 cool tools to do the job with, First i got a 2000PSI Gas PowerWasher which did a fantastic job on the exterior of the home it took all the crap off and didnt harm the siding ( it would if you left it on one spot) Make sure you use a good quality siding wash, A good wash will have chemicals in it to kill mold spores and help lift the dirt and gunk.

Then my cool tool 2 was a wagner model 177 Airless Sprayer with a 2 1/2 Gallon Reservoir with this i made quick work of the house 2 day job Max including the slow trim painting process, with the airless i was using a metal straight edge along the trim and it worked great for keeping the paint off the trim.

Paint the house first then the trim last, Use a good ladder and you wont need to lean it on the house, even if you do wrap rags around the ladder where it touches the house and that will protect the paint

Total Cash outlay   Tools, $129 power washer  $169 Wagner Airless
Paint, 10 gallons House and 4 gallons trim Paint $150  Tape and Caulking $ 30  Total around $478
 
i was quoted prices from $2500 to 3600 from Painting Contractors. After the wife heard this buying the tools so i could Paint the house myself and save us alot of money wasnt so bad

Funny note thou... Now i make extra money Painting Friends homes and making $600 labor for doing it they just buy the paint and tape   :lol :lol :D

This year im redoing my decks so the pressure washer is doing its job very nicely stripping the crap off so i can re-stain it   TOOLS RULE :aok


Point A. What you live in, a bungalow?
Point B. What kind of crap paint did you buy that it only cost you $11 per gallon?
Point C Like I said. Homowners love wagner. Till they use a real tool
Point D I'd love to eyeball this house in person. Just so I coudl tell you everything you did wrong LOL.

If I were you I'd fully expect it to peel badly within the first 5 years

either that or your full of crap about the entire story
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« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2007, 02:58:51 PM »
I just got quotes to paint my house - $9,600 - $15,000 was the range.

OUCH!

No way I'm doing it myself though....some parts you really gotta have nads to get up there.
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« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2007, 03:10:10 PM »
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I just got quotes to paint my house - $9,600 - $15,000 was the range.

OUCH!

No way I'm doing it myself though....some parts you really gotta have nads to get up there.


How big is the house?

Obviously more then a standard 2 stories

If your living in one of the Mc Mansions thats about right

Throw out the lowest quote.
He's gonna cut corners.
throw out the highest quote
He's already pretty busy and can afford to just throw prices out there

Pick one of the middle ranged prices.
Make sure he is insured. (ask to see the certificate of insurance)
Make sure you know exactly what you are getting for that price and make sure you arent compairing apples and oranges as to what exactly each is going to do.

Remember inside is 90% asthetics. Outside is 90% about protection
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« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2007, 03:13:42 PM »
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Yeah, I kinda figured. I got some loose stuff that's gonna get washed off and I guess you can't use a drop cloth when you pressure wash. I'm kinda wondering about the cleanup of the loose stuff that comes off.

Also, would you paint the trim first?

Gonna run to sherman-williams, see if they got some answers


I paint trim first, then mask. To each his own I guess.

If you are talking about Sherwin-Williams, from personal experience I would suggest going elsewhere.
About four months ago I got sucker punched at SW. I was going to use a primer/sealer followed with the final coat. They tinted the primer instead of the paint itself when mixing. After I got all the paint home and discovered this, SW wouldn`t refund the cost of the primer that THEY screwed up becuase it had been tinted and mixed. They did offer to remix the final coat paint to the correct tint......................at an added charge.
You can probably use your imagination as to how the conversation went down hill past this point.
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« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2007, 03:21:54 PM »
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I paint trim first, then mask. To each his own I guess.

If you are talking about Sherwin-Williams, from personal experience I would suggest going elsewhere.
About four months ago I got sucker punched at SW. I was going to use a primer/sealer followed with the final coat. They tinted the primer instead of the paint itself when mixing. After I got all the paint home and discovered this, SW wouldn`t refund the cost of the primer that THEY screwed up becuase it had been tinted and mixed. They did offer to remix the final coat paint to the correct tint......................at an added charge.
You can probably use your imagination as to how the conversation went down hill past this point.
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SW is a good paint. But I will agree. you have to make sure with what your getting

that being said. nothing wrong with tiinted primer.

I usually use Ben Moore. but have no problems using SW if its more convenient to get to.
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« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2007, 06:12:29 PM »
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nothing wrong with tiinted primer.
 


........................Unles s you are using light shades for your final and the primer is tinted the shade you want the final to be.  Coverage is a B. The primer should be light, basic.
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« Reply #22 on: May 08, 2007, 06:27:54 PM »
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How big is the house?

Obviously more then a standard 2 stories

If your living in one of the Mc Mansions thats about right

Throw out the lowest quote.
He's gonna cut corners.
throw out the highest quote
He's already pretty busy and can afford to just throw prices out there

Pick one of the middle ranged prices.
Make sure he is insured. (ask to see the certificate of insurance)
Make sure you know exactly what you are getting for that price and make sure you arent compairing apples and oranges as to what exactly each is going to do.

Remember inside is 90% asthetics. Outside is 90% about protection


Three stories, made mostly out of stone and mortar.  There is a wee bit of wood trim in some spots.  

I have decided to go with a mid range guy already, who is also a mason.  It's why I chose him...because most of the real work involved is prep work and he has already done some nice work in installing windows etc. at our place.
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« Reply #23 on: May 08, 2007, 07:13:55 PM »
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Point A. What you live in, a bungalow?
Point B. What kind of crap paint did you buy that it only cost you $11 per gallon?
Point C Like I said. Homowners love wagner. Till they use a real tool
Point D I'd love to eyeball this house in person. Just so I coudl tell you everything you did wrong LOL.

If I were you I'd fully expect it to peel badly within the first 5 years

either that or your full of crap about the entire story



Ad B, do you pay more then that  with your painter discount? and charge customers something around 24$ as they sell in store?

He bought cheap paint and he is aware of that including consequence.

Ad C, If tool do the job , even twice per 10 years, there is no reason to buy pro tools, thats not his source of income.

Ad D. So what, if he is happy with results , whats make you think he would be happier if you would do that?
I bet , if you find someone picky, he will turn your life in to nightmare. I'm right? ;-) And your defense would be  "we allways do this this way
 or " I have 20 years of experience, i'm licensed, bonded..........".

Unfortunately that does not mean someone who is licensed and bonded, do his work right. Usual, those one who are in hurry are pro painters.


5 years? who cares? He save enough to paint his home every year for this 5 years

68zooM, how you dare to paint your own home ;-)

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« Reply #24 on: May 08, 2007, 10:28:52 PM »
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Ad B, do you pay more then that  with your painter discount? and charge customers something around 24$ as they sell in store?

He bought cheap paint and he is aware of that including consequence.

Ad C, If tool do the job , even twice per 10 years, there is no reason to buy pro tools, thats not his source of income.

Ad D. So what, if he is happy with results , whats make you think he would be happier if you would do that?
I bet , if you find someone picky, he will turn your life in to nightmare. I'm right? ;-) And your defense would be  "we allways do this this way
 or " I have 20 years of experience, i'm licensed, bonded..........".

Unfortunately that does not mean someone who is licensed and bonded, do his work right. Usual, those one who are in hurry are pro painters.


5 years? who cares? He save enough to paint his home every year for this 5 years

68zooM, how you dare to paint your own home ;-)


At contractor discount I am copying this directly from the receipt for paint I purchased yesterday.
 
1 Gallon Benjamin Moore  "Mooreguard" Latex HP Pastel
Color- Lancaster Whitewash HC- 174
Item BM1371
Suggested Price $33.99
Extention (contractor Discount) $28.89
7% NJ sales tax $2.02
Total $30.91

(Even Home Depot paint is more then $18.00 per gallon the last time I looked)

One of my selling points is I do not mark up the material price
And I pass my contractor savings onto the customer
I only make money on the labor.
Any excess material left at the end of the job is the customers to keep (I have better things to store then paint colors I may not use again for God knows how long)
I staple any and all material receipts to my copy of the contract for the customer to see should they have any questions.

He could have rented a pro tool a lot less then the price he paid for a piece of junk
Home Depot will rent you a professional Sprayer for about $50 a day
Least that's what I paid last year when mine went down

I've had some nit picky customers everyone has. I try to be more critical and nit picky of my work then my customers. Its rare when I find a customer that's more picky then I am. But it happens maybe 1 in 50.
Like the lady a few months ago that literally went crawling around on her hands and knees running her hands over the ALL floor trim Not looking for imperfections. but FEELING for imperfections you couldn't see 3 inches away.
Nobody pays me in full until they are happy with my work.
"We always do it this way" is nothing but a cop out
I..Me have going on 30 years of experience and licensed ,bonded. A member of the "Association of Professional Painters & Decorators of New Jersey" etc etc. bla bla bla
And I wouldn't think of using that as excuse for less then great work. Or as offering it as proof I do good work.
The only "problems" I've had is when someone with something with years and years of neglect are upset when it doesn't look like new construction when its done. And then I tell them up front. I cant give you a new construction look on this without actually giving you new construction.
Or when they want something extra for free that wasn't included in the contract.
And provided its within reason I often will throw in an extra or two for free that isnt in the contract


I do VERY little advertising. 95% of my work all comes through word of mouth.
I keep managing to pay the bills even in the tough times and the same people keep calling me back for more work and referring me to al  their friends so I must be doing something right.

5 years. Yea and we will see in 5 years how much more it costs him in time and material to fix the things he could have avoided by using quality products in the first place.

Furhermore with a 2000 psi powerwasher on a house of any kind of size to it would be the equivalent of scrubbing down an entire bathroom with a toothbrush.
Even if I gave him the benefit of the doubt that he waited a couple of days between the time he powerwashed it and he started painting it and only claims he did the rest in two days. Unless he lives in a bungalow. there is no way he did all that to a house in only 2 days and did any kind of quality job. I'd be willing to bet the caulking doesn't even last a year before it starts cracking because he probably painted over it the same day he caulked it. And that's even if he caulked it correctly.
Based on the amount of paint used. Im guessing he probably painted it the same color (one coat) it was and perhaps changed the trim color

He or anyone wants to paint their own house. Hey great. Go for it. Im not saying it cant be done.
As long as he is happy with it. more power to him.
but based on what he claims. there is no way in this life Im going to believe he did any kind of quality job.

But as long as he is happy with it. More power to him
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« Reply #25 on: May 08, 2007, 10:38:12 PM »
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Three stories, made mostly out of stone and mortar.  There is a wee bit of wood trim in some spots.  

I have decided to go with a mid range guy already, who is also a mason.  It's why I chose him...because most of the real work involved is prep work and he has already done some nice work in installing windows etc. at our place.


sounds like you have a Tudor

Depending on the shape they are in they can be fun stuff..one way or the other lol

Next week Im giving an estimate to the guy the runs the printing store I deal with.
he has one of those old victorians.

I have a love/hate feeling with those things.
Typically they are in horrid shape by the time the owner decides to paint them and they require a brutal amount of prep work,window glazing,foundation repair etc.
But I simply LOVE the way they look when they are done right.
It is the one type of home that gives me the most sense of personal satisaftion when Im done
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« Reply #26 on: May 09, 2007, 10:13:04 AM »
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Point A. What you live in, a bungalow?
Point B. What kind of crap paint did you buy that it only cost you $11 per gallon?
Point C Like I said. Homowners love wagner. Till they use a real tool
Point D I'd love to eyeball this house in person. Just so I coudl tell you everything you did wrong LOL.

If I were you I'd fully expect it to peel badly within the first 5 years

either that or your full of crap about the entire story



Well first off im not full of crap.
 point A   i live in a 1600 SQ FT Home,        Point B   sense im in construction i got a real good deals thru my suppliers, the paint has a 25 yr warrenty so if it fails its not because the home wasnt preped right,   Point C     theres not a dam thing wrong with a wagner, sure its not construction grade BUT thats not what i was after, this one did the job great like i said.  
Point D  By all means feel free to look all you want you wont find a flaw anywhere.   ive been in construction for over 25 years and have been designing homes now for the past five years and i take pride in what i do and it doesnt take a rocket sciencetist to paint a house, Its funny how painting contractors charge outrageous prices to paint a home
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« Reply #27 on: May 09, 2007, 10:17:29 AM »
Awwwwwwww  should of known a" Professional Painter"
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« Reply #28 on: May 09, 2007, 10:21:56 AM »
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sounds like you have a Tudor

Depending on the shape they are in they can be fun stuff..one way or the other lol

Next week Im giving an estimate to the guy the runs the printing store I deal with.
he has one of those old victorians.

I have a love/hate feeling with those things.
Typically they are in horrid shape by the time the owner decides to paint them and they require a brutal amount of prep work,window glazing,foundation repair etc.
But I simply LOVE the way they look when they are done right.
It is the one type of home that gives me the most sense of personal satisaftion when Im done


It's not a Tudor, it's an old (120 years) house built in the traditional "Island Style" of yesteryear.

Nothing to compare it to in the US.

You are absolutely right that prep work is the big issue.  That's why I went with the mason.

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« Reply #29 on: May 09, 2007, 10:51:32 AM »
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
At contractor discount I am copying this directly from the receipt for paint I purchased yesterday.
 
1 Gallon Benjamin Moore  "Mooreguard" Latex HP Pastel
Color- Lancaster Whitewash HC- 174
Item BM1371
Suggested Price $33.99
Extention (contractor Discount) $28.89
7% NJ sales tax $2.02
Total $30.91

(Even Home Depot paint is more then $18.00 per gallon the last time I looked)

One of my selling points is I do not mark up the material price
And I pass my contractor savings onto the customer
I only make money on the labor.
Any excess material left at the end of the job is the customers to keep (I have better things to store then paint colors I may not use again for God knows how long)
I staple any and all material receipts to my copy of the contract for the customer to see should they have any questions.

He could have rented a pro tool a lot less then the price he paid for a piece of junk
Home Depot will rent you a professional Sprayer for about $50 a day
Least that's what I paid last year when mine went down

I've had some nit picky customers everyone has. I try to be more critical and nit picky of my work then my customers. Its rare when I find a customer that's more picky then I am. But it happens maybe 1 in 50.
Like the lady a few months ago that literally went crawling around on her hands and knees running her hands over the ALL floor trim Not looking for imperfections. but FEELING for imperfections you couldn't see 3 inches away.
Nobody pays me in full until they are happy with my work.
"We always do it this way" is nothing but a cop out
I..Me have going on 30 years of experience and licensed ,bonded. A member of the "Association of Professional Painters & Decorators of New Jersey" etc etc. bla bla bla
And I wouldn't think of using that as excuse for less then great work. Or as offering it as proof I do good work.
The only "problems" I've had is when someone with something with years and years of neglect are upset when it doesn't look like new construction when its done. And then I tell them up front. I cant give you a new construction look on this without actually giving you new construction.
Or when they want something extra for free that wasn't included in the contract.
And provided its within reason I often will throw in an extra or two for free that isnt in the contract


I do VERY little advertising. 95% of my work all comes through word of mouth.
I keep managing to pay the bills even in the tough times and the same people keep calling me back for more work and referring me to al  their friends so I must be doing something right.

5 years. Yea and we will see in 5 years how much more it costs him in time and material to fix the things he could have avoided by using quality products in the first place.

Furhermore with a 2000 psi powerwasher on a house of any kind of size to it would be the equivalent of scrubbing down an entire bathroom with a toothbrush.
Even if I gave him the benefit of the doubt that he waited a couple of days between the time he powerwashed it and he started painting it and only claims he did the rest in two days. Unless he lives in a bungalow. there is no way he did all that to a house in only 2 days and did any kind of quality job. I'd be willing to bet the caulking doesn't even last a year before it starts cracking because he probably painted over it the same day he caulked it. And that's even if he caulked it correctly.
Based on the amount of paint used. Im guessing he probably painted it the same color (one coat) it was and perhaps changed the trim color

He or anyone wants to paint their own house. Hey great. Go for it. Im not saying it cant be done.
As long as he is happy with it. more power to him.
but based on what he claims. there is no way in this life Im going to believe he did any kind of quality job.

But as long as he is happy with it. More power to him




Boy where do i start, Ummm yes i did caulk and it was dry before i painted... lets see here  ummm no not one but two coats of paint ( im not slow nor talk alot while i work).. and again your worried about my pressure washer and again ill say it worked great (did i mention im doing my decks with it to) and that seems to be working fine.

Yes i did PAINT the home in 2 days (see above NOT SLOW statement) how long should ive have taken to paint a home that measures 32 feet wide by 68 feet long?? 1 week 2?, maybe thats how you make your money (labor)by moving at a snails pace and they (homeowner) think your the fastest thing on wheels ( now ill use your line)  But as long as you are happy with it. More power to you

Sense ive painted my home, ive done 3 others for friends who have seen my work and how it came out and loved how it looked. what strikes me as funny is why bad mouth my painting experence that i was sharing with someone who was thinking of repainting there home into a rank on my Paint Job and Equipment i bought to do the Job with??  BUT as LONG as YOUR Happy Right?
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