Author Topic: Bf 109G-14 performance uprated? (Read 1474 times)

Widewing · « **on:** May 07, 2007, 01:09:26 PM »

I just tested the 109G-14 for speed at sea level.

With 25% fuel, zero burn using WEP, I recorded 357 mph. 351 mph with a bomb rack installed.

That is 9 mph faster than previous test data has shown (348 mph).

Was the 109G-14 speed model revised for the last update?

Other observed speeds:

403 mph @ 15k
405 mph @ 16k
406 mph @ 16.5k
404 mph @ 18k

My regards,

Widewing

Stang · « **Reply #1 on:** May 07, 2007, 01:17:05 PM »

Wide do the speeds at alt match what they should be? Or is it still too slow?

Widewing · « **Reply #2 on:** May 07, 2007, 01:40:20 PM »

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Originally posted by Stang
Wide do the speeds at alt match what they should be? Or is it still too slow?

It appears to be about 4 to 8 mph slower than reports indicate it should be. However, the 9 mph boost at sea level is more important in the MA environment, IMHO.

My regards,

Widewing

1K3 · « **Reply #3 on:** May 07, 2007, 01:49:17 PM »

last 109g14 update

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Version 2.07 Changes
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Changed top speed performance of the 109G-14 in emergency power.

Krusty · « **Reply #4 on:** May 07, 2007, 02:21:01 PM »

I don't recall seeing that in the old update readme!

Hiding stuff, those buggers at HTC!

Widewing · « **Reply #5 on:** May 07, 2007, 02:24:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
I don't recall seeing that in the old update readme!

Hiding stuff, those buggers at HTC!

Yep, 1K3 is right. I guess no one has tested the G-14 since its introduction.

My regards,

Widewing

Krusty · « **Reply #6 on:** May 07, 2007, 02:34:45 PM »

Since its upgrade, you mean?

It was well tested after its introduction, as folks were saying it was below such-and-such speed, and wanted to know why.

Widewing · « **Reply #7 on:** May 07, 2007, 03:02:43 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
Since its upgrade, you mean?

It was well tested after its introduction, as folks were saying it was below such-and-such speed, and wanted to know why.

It was tested at its introduction, but not since and apparently not after the upgrade.

Now I have to test it at 10k to revise my 10k list.

My regards,

Widewing

Bruno · « **Reply #8 on:** May 07, 2007, 04:54:19 PM »

It was tested at introduction - then it was fixed and tested again. It's top speed at FTH is to slow and its overweight. I posted before that I believe its modeled with the weight and speed of a G-14 with gondolas but its close enough not to worry about.

Benny Moore · « **Reply #9 on:** May 07, 2007, 06:02:21 PM »

But it's too fast at sea level?

Bruno · « **Reply #10 on:** May 07, 2007, 06:37:43 PM »

Its not 'too fast' or 'too slow' - the given figure at sea level is 352 mph WW got 357. 4 mph is meaningless.

The FTH (5000m / 16400ft) speed is reported at 412mph - WW got 405. LW tests show that gondolas cost about 12km/h in speed (7.5 mph).

On the AH webpage the G-14 is listed with a

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Maximum loaded weight: 7700 lbs.

Which is roughly (3500 kg). This is the weight of a G-14 with gongolas:

652km/h at FTH Bf-109G14/U4 with Gondolawaffen (gondolas) weighing 3501 kg

Clean:

665km/h at FTH Bf-109G14/U4 with clean configuration weighing 3318 kg.

Does 'maximum loaded weight' mean with gondolas on the AH web page?

Even so who cares +5 here -7 mph it doesn't mean a whole heck of a lot. In real life you would find variations in performance between the same aircraft types.

Widewing · « **Reply #11 on:** May 07, 2007, 06:55:46 PM »

In game speeds at 10k, 25% fuel, zero burn for WEP and MIL power. Added two popular Allied fighters for contrast.

Bf 109G-14: 393 mph WEP / 360 mph MIL

Bf 109K-4: 412 mph WEP / 382 mph MIL

P-51D: 407 mph WEP / 400 mph MIL

Spit XVI: 385 mph WEP / 358 mph MIL

My regards,

Widewing

Benny Moore · « **Reply #12 on:** May 07, 2007, 08:17:51 PM »

Four miles per hour is "meaningless" if your ship is that much faster than it should be, but seven miles per hour isn't if it's that much slower than it should be? If you ask me, an error's an error whether it be excess weight or excess top speed.

Bruno · « **Reply #13 on:** May 07, 2007, 09:43:15 PM »

Its not 'an error' all G-14s didn't do '352 mph' exactly on the dot at sea level. In real life one G-14 (or any plane) might be faster , another much slower etc...

Quibbling over 4 mph, or even 7 mph is silly.

ink · « **Reply #14 on:** May 08, 2007, 01:31:43 AM »

i just flew the g-14 tonight for the first time in awhile it truly is a great plane.i jumped on a low 51d made a few passes then thinking im in hurri started turning with him he gave me solution i took it, he fell out of the sky,
shortly after i was up about 6k a second 51d droppin out of the sky at my 7 high,i spotted him just in time i nosed down picked up a little more speed then pulled back with hard rudder he missed, i wepped climed, banked had a short turning fight, got position he ran, i suk at targeting skillz so he escaped but caught em over his base and killed em, along with one other, landed 3 killz.ive flown the hurri so much, this things like a rocket.
this game rocks