Veto it again

[Ripsnort]

I've highlighted the portions of this article (bold) that reminds me of alot of posters on this board. I think this was a thoughtful, well written OP-ED and I agree 100% with the author. I hope Bush veto's again if congress gives him a piece of garbage to sign, again.

Veto It Again
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Wednesday, May 09, 2007 4:20 PM PT

Congress: Having gone back to the drawing board, the best the Democrats can offer is to fund the war in Iraq for two months. If President Bush is presented with such a bill, he should veto it like he did the last one.



It's possible that Democrats in the House are so blinded by their hatred of the president that they don't realize the deep damage they're doing to the country. If they get their way, America will lose a war. This is simply unconscionable.



The Senate's own sorry counterpart to the House's bill of surrender would force the U.S. military and Iraqi government to meet certain "benchmarks" to get funding.



This is no way to run a war. Wars are won by soldiers on the ground, not by government accountants doling out money in dribs and drabs and checking the books every 10 minutes to make sure they're getting their money's worth.



And make no mistake: Our military is trying to win this war.

The Pentagon this week said it's calling up 35,000 troops to help maintain the surge that will defeat the terrorists in Iraq. As the Washington Post reported Wednesday, ground commanders in Iraq believe the "surge" must last at least into spring of 2008.



Which is why playing with funding right now is disastrous. We're at a crucial point in this war. We're trying to bring a level of security and control to Iraq's major cities that has heretofore been lacking. And believe it or not, we've got al-Qaida on the run.



But the 35,000 troops bound for Iraq need equipment. They need to be fed and quartered. They need weapons. More importantly, they need to know they won't be stabbed in the back by Congress.



Last week, Defense Secretary Robert Gates told a Senate panel that any attempt to fund the war for just 60 days would have a "huge impact" on our ability to fight. Yet that's just what the House may try to do. And the Senate, sadly, may follow suit.



Maybe lawmakers are looking at recent polls showing President Bush's approval rating at record lows. Or at a recent poll showing that, among Democrats, a shocking 35 percent believe Bush knew about the 9/11 attacks beforehand, while just 26% are "not sure."



Such insane notions are easily disproved. But the fact that so many believe them anyway is a sad commentary on both the state of our democracy and the quality of our media.



Regrettably, the mainstream media can't be stirred from their Bush-hating torpor to note such simple facts as there was no government conspiracy behind 9/11 or that tying the hands of the military and telling your enemy in advance what you plan to do leads inevitably to defeat.



We give the Democrats in Congress, and their small number of GOP allies, this much: Their recent proposals are at least a bit closer to what they actually want to do, if they had the guts ***8212; that is, defund the war entirely and bring the troops home.



Instead, they want to leave our military hanging, while they dishonestly repeat the mantra of "we support our troops."

Time was, Americans came together in time of war. That was almost always the case in Congress. Those days are gone. Today, one party votes for a war and, as soon as it becomes unpopular, refuses to take responsibility for it; or to fight to win.



Bush has said he'll veto these bad bills. Good. If he does that enough, Democrats at some point will have to get serious. We only hope that comes before the war is lost.

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=263601842234172

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
I've highlighted the portions of this article (bold) that reminds me of alot of posters on this board. I think this was a thoughtful, well written OP-ED and I agree 100% with the author. I hope Bush veto's again if congress gives him a piece of garbage to sign, again.

I guess the only real question is, did you managed to post enough "original content" for your thread not to be counted as a rip-and-paste-hate-spew troll?

[Sandman]

Seems to me that the Congress is expressing the will of the people.

From what I've seen in the news these past few days, the draw down is inevitable. From what I gather, the army is preparing to be out of Iraq in 36 months.

[BiGBMAW]

he said..whats he see's on the "news"...

lololo

[Sandman]

Originally posted by BiGBMAW
he said..whats he see's on the "news"...

lololo

Well... FWIW, it was on Joe Scarborough's show. You know... the former Republican Congressman from Florida.

[john9001]

run forrest run,

 fools, running away from iraq will not "end the war" it will escalate the war with unknown results.

but running away will let the democrats claim a "victory".

run pelosie run.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by john9001
run forrest run,

 fools, running away from iraq will not "end the war" it will escalate the war with unknown results.

I'm thinking this particular fear card is played out. Time to learn a new tune.

[john9001]

the USA was once called a paper tiger, it is true, it has a strong military but a weak government.

and a weak people, go watch your fake news shows like daily show and shop at the mall.

[-CodyC]

I think this is a legitimate question, since there are two sides to this issue lets hear what you guys think.  What happens if we leave Iraq in say 18 to 24 months?  I've got my opinion, what do you guys think?

[Sandman]

I've got another question...

Why should I care?

Really, I'm quite beyond caring what the Kurds, Shia, Sunni, Turks or Persians do to each other.

[Hornet33]

Originally posted by -CodyC
I think this is a legitimate question, since there are two sides to this issue lets hear what you guys think.  What happens if we leave Iraq in say 18 to 24 months?  I've got my opinion, what do you guys think?

Within months Iran will take over Iraq, put serious pressure on Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and basicly control over half of the worlds oil supply. Iran will continue on it's course to develop nuclear weapons unchecked and once it has them will drop several nukes on Israel. Iran will also continue to sponsor terrorism with the goal of mounting a large scale attack here in the United States, possibly with a nuke and most likely the target will be Washington DC with the goal of decapitating the government. Radical Islamic extreamists will continue unhindered on their quest to bring the entire world under the banner of Islam with continued terror attacks that will become more dangerous, deadly, and higher and higher body counts.

In the mean time US credibility around the world will plummit along with our economy as the Democratic Party led government continues to rape the American people with higher taxes, and guts the military leaving our national defense in tatters. This they will do all in the name of spending money for all their feel good programs for the "less fortunate" around the world while continuing to ignore Americans that need help unless they are illegal imagrants, gays, or belong to some minority that they can exploit at a later time.

Within ten years the ACLU will be in power with the total support of the Democrats and Isalm will be the most prolific religion in this country and those in power will tout this as a good thing for America's "New way Forward" into the world. Your right to own a firearm will be stripped away from you, and by mearly speaking anything hatefull will land you in jail, hence stripping you of your right to speak freely.



Call me crazy if you want but I believe it can and will happen with the nutjobs that were just elected if we, the American people, don't stand up and kick them in the ass.

[Odee]

Yeah... =/  Congress didn't learn a thing from how they missmanaged the Viet Nam war.  They want to do it all over again to see if they can possibly screw the pooch any worse...

Originally posted by Sandman
Seems to me that the Congress is expressing the will of the people.

From what I've seen in the news these past few days, the draw down is inevitable. From what I gather, the army is preparing to be out of Iraq in 36 months.

Keep in mind that it was only 25% of the people that voted.  God forbid we get an actual majority turn out like France did recently.

[Sandman]

This just in... Iraq has already been mismanaged.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Sandman
Seems to me that the Congress is expressing the will of the people.

From what I've seen in the news these past few days, the draw down is inevitable. From what I gather, the army is preparing to be out of Iraq in 36 months.

Sandy I don't think a 36 month plan is a "draw down" it's an actual operation.  

Seriously from all the news I've gotten from the people that are actually there now it seems that we've reached a point in the Iraq war were the people there are tired of it.  Most of our raids and intell we get from the locals that are tired of people blowing crap up in the name of their god.  Recent looks at places like Ramandi and such are perfect indicators of recent successes on our parts and of that of the Iraqis themselves.  Streets that were once bare are now filled with markets.  Shops have re-opened and bombings/attacks have reached an all time low.  


Iraq has to succeed.  The stakes there are too high.  As Hornet pointed out there is a good chance that a country like Iran would control half the worlds oil supply.  And while some may chant "no blood for oil" like it or not oil is what fuels our economy as we know it.  With out it we are basically back in the stone ages.  

While I agree to some point that the democrats are fulfilling the "will of the people" I don't agree with the fact that they this country doesn't go by "mob rule"  An opinion poll should not dictate a decision, we didn't elect the current congress to legislate from polls, and we never should.

[Hornet33]

Originally posted by Sandman
This just in... Iraq has already been mismanaged.

That's just it. The Democrats think you can manage a war. Well you don't manage a war, you FIGHT a war, and when your fighting a war stuff happens and you can't predict what the enemy will do next. You just have to react, but to the Democrats way of thinking, anything the enemy does that we didn't plan for is mismanagement.

Not to mention the "stellar" job they've done so far by trying to hamstring our troops every chance they get. If those airbags want to run the war, then maybe they should put on a uniform and go over there and run it, otherwise provide the money so our guys have what they need to do their jobs properly.