Author Topic: 190's rip off wings easily (Read 1551 times)

Kolibri · « **on:** May 12, 2007, 09:25:19 AM »

Since last update the 190's are really unstisfactory.

I riped off now 3 times my wings on a 190-D9.

The situation was following:
I was chasing a P51-D with a 190-D9. The pony went for a dive and i followed him. On the deck we were at about 350 mph when the pony flew a hard left flat turn. I rolled to the left and pulled my joystick back.
clap - clap and both wings riped off.

This **** happend now 3 times in verious situations but most time at about 350 to 400 mph.

All flightsims i flew so long (AW, IL2 etc.) the 190 was well known for its stable wings.

Why does HTC see this different? Or is it just a bug?

Some other people made the same experience with the 190-A8 since update.

BaldEagl · « **Reply #1 on:** May 12, 2007, 10:25:35 AM »

Sounds like a bug. I've never lost a wing on a 190 and I fly all of them quite a bit. In fact just last night I followed a P-51 into a fast dive in a Dora well past the point where I knew I should be throttling back. We were rolling and manouvering most of the way down until I started shaking and compressing then pulled-out hard on the deck and no problems. It was the first time I've ever had to use elevator trim to get a 190 out of a compressed dive.

1K3 · « **Reply #2 on:** May 12, 2007, 11:32:32 AM »

190's got very light elevator forces, so light that it's enough to break the plane if you pull a very high G at high speeds.

Squire · « **Reply #3 on:** May 12, 2007, 12:11:09 PM »

Sounds like a joystick calibration problem. I have never lost a wing in a 190 in AH in a dive that I can recall.

...how many Gs are you pulling???

Kolibri · « **Reply #4 on:** May 12, 2007, 02:16:30 PM »

Actually I'm flying about 5 month with this joystick and didn't change anything on the setup.

I don't know the G i had because i didn't expect a rip off and so i didn't keep eye on it.

I was far away from a blackout and that tells me that i hadn't to much G-force.

The Pony at least could manage the turn and it was only a litle slower.

I fly now the 190's with film on, maybe i get a rip off again and have it on film.

Fulmar · « **Reply #5 on:** May 12, 2007, 02:32:48 PM »

I've flown probably 150 190 flights in the last month. Not a once in my excessive BnZing have I ripped any wings off. In contrast I've ripped quite a few off p51s and spits.

cerberos · « **Reply #6 on:** May 12, 2007, 02:48:38 PM »

Been flying the 190 A5 more or less constantly for the last 5 years, without counting too accuratley. Only once have I ripped the wings, and at the time I was like a comet on a soaped slope.

coinbird · « **Reply #7 on:** May 12, 2007, 02:57:32 PM »

maybe the lesser workmanship of late war german planes are modeled now

cerberos · « **Reply #8 on:** May 12, 2007, 03:20:02 PM »

In that case the inferior workmanship of the LA7 should be modelled too

Imagine never knowing if you got a good or bad LA7, a heavy or a light one

bet we'd see a lot less LAs...

The only problem I've had with the D9 is when landing it. If you put the tail down too hard you'll smack the rear fuselage right off the rest of the plane.

Nilsen · « **Reply #9 on:** May 12, 2007, 03:30:18 PM »

Its not a bug, its a feature. Removing wings lets you dive faster.

Xasthur · « **Reply #10 on:** May 12, 2007, 03:42:45 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by Nilsen
Its not a bug, its a feature. Removing wings lets you dive faster.

Lol

I've only ripped the wings off a 190 once... this sounds odd to me.

Charge · « **Reply #11 on:** May 12, 2007, 07:08:24 PM »

Well you know the 190's main spars run through the fuselage and are not bolted as in many other planes, plus it has small, stiff wings. if you can break the wing off from fuselage that should tear the fuselage apart too...

-C+

Kolibri · « **Reply #12 on:** May 13, 2007, 05:39:42 AM »

I can't count how often I flew a 190 the last 3 Years.

Maybe some thousands and I never riped off a wing before.

This rip offs happend only since last update and that's the reason I'm asking if there was a remodeling with the update.

However, sometimes i get the feeling that AH is going backwards.

Instead of develop such unneccessary things like the B25 they should invest their time in remodeling some flightmodels.

Sikboy · « **Reply #13 on:** May 13, 2007, 06:23:29 AM »

Roll film on it. That might shed some light on things.

-Sik

Kweassa · « **Reply #14 on:** May 13, 2007, 07:26:28 AM »

It doesn't matter how long one has flown the plane, nor how well one thinks he knows the plane. It's simply dependant on the given speed and stickpull - exceed a G-force limit and something is set to snap off.

The only question is whether one did something to influence such a phenomenon, and frankly, without presenting some substantial evidence that the wings snapping off your 190 was because of a game-bug, and not because you pulled too much Gs, I find it rather dubious to see you claim its the game that's wrong, and not you yourself.

Something fishy happens for the first time in years, and one immediately draws the conclusion that the game must be wrong.

See the pattern emerging here?

Run a few tests. Film your experiments, like Sikboy recommends. And if you truly see the wings knocking off despite acceptable G acceleration, then you'd have something to go on about.