Frustrated

[Kev367th]

Originally posted by VERTEX
We need simplification, not more complexity. Get rid of squads.

If squads are eliminated players will not worry as much about which arena they are in.

Players will have to work with who ever is on line to accomplish complex tasks.

Players will be exposed to more ways of doing things.

Players will get to know a greater number of other players.

Comraderie amoungst players will increase.

Squads are elitist.

Squads are and will continue to be the 'backbone' of AH.

[VERTEX]

Originally posted by Kev367th
Squads are and will continue to be the 'backbone' of AH.

I'm sure they will, but the very existence of squads does in many respects promote a mindset that has negative effects on the game.

[999000]

Squads =Good things
Caps=Bad things
Baldeagle= a good thing!
Sir!
999000

BTW the enemy thing is really crap!

[BaldEagl]

OK, I didn't need to do a search to see what else has been written on this subject.  I've read them all along the way.  That doesn't mean that if you feel there's something wrong with the current way things are done you shouldn't post your opinion (again) whether or not you have "the answer".

Part of my post was in simple frustration.  Not getting to get into the arena that my squad-mates were in.  Whether we acually fly together or not is immaterial.  The radio banter is as fun as the working together part and after two weeks of this I was tired of never getting to fly with them.

Solution:  Always allow someone to log into the arena if they have squad-mates already logged in, regardless of whether the arena is "full" or not.

Beyond that I do see problems.  Being forced into the other arena that night meant i had to join the hoard.  I normally don't care about ENY because I fly so many different planes I'll find a way around it but I've recently been flying the Yak-9U and was really looking forward to taking one for a spin.  ENY was 22+ so that wasn't going to happen and I couldn't even get into the other arena.

Solution:  Always allow someone into the arena if their country is out-manned, regardless of whether the arena is "full" or not.

As I said, I usually don't care about ENY but many people do.  Someone also stated that that night 50 Bish logged out of Orange when things were'nt going well and logged into Blue.  I saw them all in Blue.

Solution:  Restrict access to arenas (except as noted above) if it will significantly increase a county imbalance.

People complain about the "spys" and CV hijackers.

Solution:  Return to 24 hours before being able to change countries.  This might not eliminate this but it will at least make them think twice before commiting.

I posted some other ideas above and saw several decent ideas posted in this thread.  Here's another one:

Want to get into the full arena?  Pay for it with perks.  The price goes up the more over-filled it is.

Want to fly what you want to fly?  Pay for it with perks in some proportion to where ENY is at.

I'm just coming up with this stuff off the top of my head.  I haven't even put much thought into it and maybe these aren't good ideas but I think there are workable solutions that could be better than what we have now.

The bigger problem I see is that none of them will ever get to see the light of day or be included in an honest discussion because as soon as the topic is approched the "whiner police" storm in, squelching the thread.

Just because something "is" doesn't mean it can't be improved.

[VERTEX]

The point I am trying to make is that if players had a more open mind about changing countries and flying with people they normally fight against, the cohesiveness of the community would increase.

It can be a lot of fun to fly with guys who have been shooting you down for years, often those players are human beings as well, and it can be very enjoyable discovering that.  Squad loyalty seems to be getting in the way of people experimenting a little with who they fly with. Or whining when they can't fly with a certain group, ie squad mates.

Live a little, try new things, try a different country from time to time.

If we all did this even just a bit, eny and arena caps would become insignificant.

Open mindedness is a good thing, really.

[hubsonfire]

**** that, this is a game- who wants to lighten up and have fun when we can scream about how much everything sucks?

[JB88]

Originally posted by hubsonfire
**** that, this is a game- who wants to lighten up and have fun when we can scream about how much everything sucks?

i don't recall anyone screaming.  

has anyone here screamed that i don't know about?

how much fun is it for you to speak to people the way that you do hubs?  must be a riot.

[yanksfan]

Originally posted by hubsonfire
**** that, this is a game- who wants to lighten up and have fun when we can scream about how much everything sucks?

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i don't remember anyone saying everything sucked.

You just heard some good ideas, not perfected, but unbalanced arena entry rules would be an excelent idea which would effectively remove the need for eny.
this would go a long way to really making everyone happy. and after all isn't balance what this is really all about.
how about some thoughts along these lines, without the sarcasm and name calling

[hubsonfire]

I've been listening to ENY and arena split whines since the days they were introduced, and screaming is an appropriate descriptive.
 
I don't have any suggestions for you folks other than learning to be a little more flexible, and a little less demanding, because I don't see a problem with either ENY or split arenas. If you can't fly with the horde/your squad/your favorite plane, adapt a little bit. This "fix this crap HT i payz my money i sayz what goes around here" mindset doesn't earn the slightest bit of sympathy from me, and that's really how I view all of these types of threads.

Sorry I can't be more supportive, but I think the problem is your mindset, not the game.

[yanksfan]

Originally posted by hubsonfire
I've been listening to ENY and arena split whines since the days they were introduced, and screaming is an appropriate descriptive.
 
I don't have any suggestions for you folks other than learning to be a little more flexible, and a little less demanding, because I don't see a problem with either ENY or split arenas. If you can't fly with the horde/your squad/your favorite plane, adapt a little bit. This "fix this crap HT i payz my money i sayz what goes around here" mindset doesn't earn the slightest bit of sympathy from me, and that's really how I view all of these types of threads.

Sorry I can't be more supportive, but I think the problem is your mindset, not the game.

I can respect that..."S"

[yanksfan]

OK, now that hubs is done, how would an arena entry system work to keep sides balanced.

allow low side countrys to enter until sides even?

[Lusche]

Originally posted by yanksfan
OK, now that hubs is done, how would an arena entry system work to keep sides balanced.

allow low side countrys to enter until sides even?

Personally I would hate to see a system that is that restricitve. After all I absolutely love being on the outnumbered side. And I know I am not the only one.

Also, people would be even less be able to fly with their friends.

[Platano]

damm yall type too much  


I cant read all that so just scrolled to the end....

[Emu]

Originally posted by SlapShot
... epecially since I mainly fly the FM2.

I work a guy over, or am working a guy over, and there are tons of squeeking heros that feel the need to swoop right in and snatch my "food" right out from underneath me.

ABSOLUTELY agreed (caps for dramatic effect).  This of course only creates a vicious cycle.  Since you want to make sure the next kill you work is not stolen by a band of cannon-equipped, 400mph cruise speed noobs, you sometimes find yourself flying one of them.. at which point is not fun anymore, and close the game and get back to work. I have yet to do that, but getting 5 assists per sortie because someone else was kind enough to triple make sure your pray was going down by pumping 100 rounds of 20mm on it, kindda gets old.  

Every now and then though you get those odd good fights that just keep me coming back way too often

[Emu]

Originally posted by hubsonfire
I've been listening to ENY and arena split whines since the days they were introduced, and screaming is an appropriate descriptive.
 
I don't have any suggestions for you folks other than learning to be a little more flexible, and a little less demanding, because I don't see a problem with either ENY or split arenas. If you can't fly with the horde/your squad/your favorite plane, adapt a little bit. This "fix this crap HT i payz my money i sayz what goes around here" mindset doesn't earn the slightest bit of sympathy from me, and that's really how I view all of these types of threads.

Sorry I can't be more supportive, but I think the problem is your mindset, not the game.

I have a problem with the way you are thinking.  Surely, people can adapt to anything.  You can adapt to getting a 50% pay cut, living under a bridge, driving a Pinto, eating rice for every meal, every day.  But, if you could avoid all of that, I am sure you would.  I dont see the problem with highlighting issues and perhaps involve the community in maybe working out at least a roadmap to address some of them.  What you are describing in your post is conformism.  We know what happens to businesses who get too comfortable and stop improving (or "improve" the wrong things): they get eaten by the competition.  Happens all the time.  Taking the time to post and bring out issues is a good thing.  We obviously enjoy this game, and only care to make it better.  Sure, HiTech can't cater for everyone, but if something is clearly not working as well as it perhaps should, such as this issue, then whats the harm in discussing it and bringing new ideas?  Its in our best interest, and HiTech's best interest, to keep on improving the game and the user experience.  I am happy to be patient and remain a customer of HiTech's while things are improved, but it is nice to know that working on issues the community experience is at least in the roadmap.

Emu