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Offline Knegel

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« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2007, 08:49:25 AM »
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« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2007, 09:07:38 AM »
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I can make a -1 out manev a p51d all day long along with 95% of the planes in AH.


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« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2007, 09:08:54 AM »
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F4U-4 best prop fighter in the game.


Agreed, but I still give the P47N the nod over 30k...I still love my big blues though!

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« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2007, 09:09:25 AM »
peeee51 doesnt stand a chance againist a -4
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« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2007, 01:12:20 PM »
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nuh ah ;)  ive proven that wrong on several occasions as it is genarally not the plane its the pilot....


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« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2007, 01:22:25 PM »
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Agreed, but I still give the P47N the nod over 30k...I still love my big blues though!



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« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2007, 02:23:00 PM »
What it comes down to is the flaps.
Any f4u can turn on a dime once they have 2 or more flaps down. "clicks"

The good thing is,once that is done all you have to do is pull back and allow the f4u to bleed further e while trying to retract those flaps.

If done right you will get a f4u behind you,that has most likely full flaps out,you pull his nose up..he freaks out start's puting his flaps up, his nose go's back down his wing dips and he strugles to fly.

Meanwhile you sit back in your ki-84 or wtf ever and laugh as you pull your nose around and make another pass.
If you have a f4u on your six with flaps down,just pull up.

Then laugh.

Dont try and turn fight with a f4u on full flaps,you will not win.
The flaps fully down add's a stability seldom seen in aces high, the damn thing wont dip over even at 90mph. "unless you pull back on the stick,then enjoy your fall."


F4u's are cannon fodder.
Unless the other pilot is a punk high alt funky junk monkey.
even then all i do is dip my nose down for a inverted loop, pull in behind them and fire at longer ranges as that punk try's to pull out above me and zoom away. "twirls finger"


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« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2007, 02:36:29 PM »
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Have you lost many F4U-4's to P-51's?


maybe....:noid

not really but when i encounter em they usually die
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« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2007, 03:10:47 PM »
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Originally posted by BaDkaRmA158Th
What it comes down to is the flaps.
Any f4u can turn on a dime once they have 2 or more flaps down. "clicks"

The good thing is,once that is done all you have to do is pull back and allow the f4u to bleed further e while trying to retract those flaps.

If done right you will get a f4u behind you,that has most likely full flaps out,you pull his nose up..he freaks out start's puting his flaps up, his nose go's back down his wing dips and he strugles to fly.

Meanwhile you sit back in your ki-84 or wtf ever and laugh as you pull your nose around and make another pass.
If you have a f4u on your six with flaps down,just pull up.

Then laugh.

Dont try and turn fight with a f4u on full flaps,you will not win.
The flaps fully down add's a stability seldom seen in aces high, the damn thing wont dip over even at 90mph. "unless you pull back on the stick,then enjoy your fall."


F4u's are cannon fodder.
Unless the other pilot is a punk high alt funky junk monkey.
even then all i do is dip my nose down for a inverted loop, pull in behind them and fire at longer ranges as that punk try's to pull out above me and zoom away. "twirls finger"


big men..big men.


Wow, you really are an experte, what is your ingame name?

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« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2007, 04:55:50 PM »
Is it just me or when every time I fly the 4-hog and get shot, the 50 cal machines guns are the first thing to get hit and no longer work?

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« Reply #25 on: May 15, 2007, 06:51:55 PM »
Movie I get that a lot.  But it's usually only 1 or 2 guns

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« Reply #26 on: May 15, 2007, 11:11:19 PM »
Karma:

My response to your nose-low inverted loop/split-S:

If my E isn't too high a hard roll over, notch or two of flaps and follow you down, throttle adjustments as necessary to avoid overspeed. Going nose-low against an F4U is rarely a good idea, especially in a plane like the Ki-84 whose controls start losing authority as speed builds up. Remember the F4U's roll and elevator response get BETTER with speed, something you can't say for a lot of planes and especially the Frank (though I'll grant you she's more forgiving than the Zeke). Also, power-on WEP the Corsairs really crank it up in a dive, so if you're doing it as an escape you're kidding yourself. The F4U will both exceed your dive speed, and without the control lock/parts shedding.

If I have too much E to follow I go full nose up and immediately begin to roll to keep you centered at the top of my canopy. Proper timing and execution I'm right back on your 6. You're also underestimating der Uber-rudderen (a new Corsair term :D ). Corsair has one of the best rudders in the game so even if I don't have the E for what I described above, I can still get that nose pointed back downhill for a snapshot before you can come back up through the top of your loop.

Also, the Frank's advantages against the four 1-series Hogs are mostly lost against the -4 (which the 4-Hog is the one this thread was about).The 4-Hog is to the Frank what the 1-series are to the Zeke. She's faster at all altitudes (with and without WEP. In fact, the -4 without WEP will run down the 84 WITH WEP) and will leave the 84 behind in the straight climb at most altitudes,  (without WEP Ki has a narrow advantage between 5 and 10k, with the -4 dominant from SL to 5k, and 10k up. On WEP all alts above 7k the Frank won't match) and wins in any contest of energy retention. In low-speed acceleration the -4 is only half a second behind, and the Hog takes over in the mid and upper ranges.

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« Reply #27 on: May 17, 2007, 09:21:37 PM »
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« Reply #28 on: May 18, 2007, 02:53:07 PM »
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Originally posted by BaDkaRmA158Th

F4u's are cannon fodder.
Unless the other pilot is a punk high alt funky junk monkey.
even then all i do is dip my nose down for a inverted loop, pull in behind them and fire at longer ranges as that punk try's to pull out above me and zoom away. "twirls finger"


Tell ya what hotdog... I'm in the TA most evenings training folks. Stop by, grab a Ki-84 and I'll take an F4U-4.

We'll see who laughs....

My regards,

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« Reply #29 on: May 18, 2007, 02:57:22 PM »
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Tell ya what hotdog... I'm in the TA most evenings training folks. Stop by, grab a Ki-84 and I'll take an F4U-4.

We'll see who laughs....

My regards,

Widewing



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