Author Topic: Still waiting (Read 1188 times)

tedrbr · « **Reply #15 on:** May 17, 2007, 06:17:48 PM »

I'd prefer the 88mm FlaK36 as well. It's different enough and multi-role use could be interesting. Attack bombers up to 35K altitude. Indirect fire out more than a dozen miles. Direct fire sniping against tanks.

I'll argue for Wirbelwinds when we have Invaders.

morfiend · « **Reply #16 on:** May 17, 2007, 06:32:36 PM »

Yes PLZ, those 4 20mm would pack quite abit more punch than the quad 50's of the M16

What was the typical ammo loadout for the "Birdy"

E25280 · « **Reply #17 on:** May 17, 2007, 07:54:20 PM »

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Originally posted by BaDkaRmA158Th
What i wounder is with the same turret,but with x4 20mm,would the gun even be able to transverse 90 degree's up?
If not,your machine gun fodder.

I dont know how reliable these are, but . . .

This site lists elevation of -10 to 90 degrees (straight up).

So does this one.

This one, too.

Panzzer · « **Reply #18 on:** May 17, 2007, 08:11:31 PM »

Yay,

nothing against the Wirbelwind. But there are some much more important additions before that...

Like the Brewster...

Wes14 · « **Reply #19 on:** May 17, 2007, 08:22:46 PM »

not to catch 'Player Ack',but isn't a Brewster just a modified F4F-4?

Panzzer · « **Reply #20 on:** May 17, 2007, 08:30:51 PM »

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Originally posted by Wes14
not to catch 'Player Ack',but isn't a Brewster just a modified F4F-4?

Or isn't the Wirbelwind just a modified Ostwind?

Allright, while I might have read a book or two on the PzKpfw-base, I realize most of you don't have a clue about the Brewster - you can read about it here.

Wes14 · « **Reply #21 on:** May 17, 2007, 08:35:07 PM »

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Originally posted by Panzzer
Or isn't the Wirbelwind just a modified Ostwind?

i dont know enough about German flak-Panzers to make an accurate guess

Panzzer · « **Reply #22 on:** May 17, 2007, 08:39:14 PM »

See my edit in the reply before yours for a good read about the Brewster. On the Panzers, I don't have any good links to direct you to, haven't been searching for those online, I've only read the books....

E25280 · « **Reply #23 on:** May 17, 2007, 08:40:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Wes14
not to catch 'Player Ack',but isn't a Brewster just a modified F4F-4?

Brewster Buffalo and Grumman Wildcat are different airframes, so no. (You may be confusing the F2A Brewster with the Grumman FM2, which was a "modified" or upgraded F4F.)

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Originally posted by Wes14
Or isn't the Wirbelwind just a modified Ostwind?

Both were built on a PzkwIV chassis, so this argument could be made.

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Panzzer · « **Reply #24 on:** May 17, 2007, 08:43:46 PM »

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I edited my last reply after you had replied (some basic grammary which might be easy for you native speakers).

Wes14 · « **Reply #25 on:** May 17, 2007, 08:48:29 PM »

well i guess you could say i learned something:aok

also wasnt the Ostwind rarer then the Wirbelwind?
i heard it was,but im not too sure

KTM520guy · « **Reply #26 on:** May 17, 2007, 08:53:39 PM »

Ask MOIL, he would know.

Larry · « **Reply #27 on:** May 17, 2007, 09:24:16 PM »

3.7 cm Flak 43 auf Flakpanzer IV "Ostwind"

7/1944: 1 prototype
12/1944-3/1945: 36 converted, 7 produced

Wirbelwind

7/44-11/44
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In December 1943 the first model appeared. It was on an unaltered PzKpfw IV chassis with a 16 mm all around turret. Ostbau of Sagan in Silesia produced the vehicles.

Turret traverse was slow, and thus restricted the vehicle when combating ground-attack aircraft. Rate of fire was 800 rpm/450 rpm.

The HE round weighed 0.3 lbs and was fired at a muzzle velocity of 2,953'/sec.

Issued to Flugabwehrzüge (AA platoons) of Panzer regiments. In 1944, 3 or 4 were assigned to the HQ companies of panzer battalions.

Yes we need the wirbelwind. It wouldnt take much to make it, just remake the turret on the flack.

Gianlupo · « **Reply #28 on:** May 18, 2007, 02:10:13 AM »

For all those interested, a good site about German vehicles is Achtung Panzer: I think Ostie and Wiberl are in the Panzer profile section, under the Limited production voice.

LTARsqrl · « **Reply #29 on:** May 19, 2007, 03:51:47 PM »

As much as I want the Wirblewind, we need buff defense. If HTC is going to allow the mis-use of the buffs in tree top carpet bombing, then they need to allow us a defense such as the German 88s. Carpet bombing has become the lazy way to attack a GV assault. Fly in at tree top level and just let go with 24,000 lbs of bombs, times three, then bail out and do it again till ords are taken down. And for all you "Well you have Ostwinds" players out there, understand this. Each bomber takes multiple hits to destroy. And if you kill one, the pilot just pops into another, then another. By that time he has dropped is ords killing everything in a 1000 foot by 5000 or more foot strip. Gee. What skill that must take.

The Ostwind has to use a 37mm projectile to hit a target moving at a speed of from 150 to 500 miles per hour usually perpendicular to his line of fire. Carpet bombers get to drop from 1 to 12 or more bombs with a 500+/- foot kill radius on a vehicle traveling at best 25 miles per hour.

Now to the argument for having the Brewster before the Wirblewind just because we got the Ostwind now. Here is a math test. Let see. Right now, pilots who wish to fly can chose from 73, soon to be 74 different aircraft to fly, fight and drop bombs on my head. I, on the other hand, have a grand total of two vehicles in which to try to defend myself. M-16 with a practical range of 1K to 1.5K. And the Ostwind which has a practical range from 1.5K to (in rare cases) 2.5K. 74 verses 2 Hummm.

Wirblewind AND the German 88 would make an awesome combination to add to this game.

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