spitfire = lazy?

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by toonces3
Hey all,
I haven't been playing AH for that long, maybe 3 weeks now.  I met up with my current squad pretty shortly after joining, and started flying the P-51 and P-47 with them almost exclusively.  

I figure that I'm ok in the P-51, by no means great, but I am starting to appreciate what it does well, and what it doesn't do well.  Still, I find that if I get sloppy in the MA, I get killed pretty routinely.

In the Jug, all I do is up other folks' scores.

At any rate, the other night I got jumped shortly after takeoff in a jug, and of course got killed like a baby seal.  In frustration, I booted up a spit 14 or 16 (the non-perk one) and promptly shot my tormenter down.  I then proceeded to the enemy base nearby where I shot down 2 P-38's, an FW-190, and then another spit on the return flight.  

The last few nights I've been taking up the spit when I start getting frustrated in the Pony or Jug, and I get and land alot more kills than in either of the others.

So, it got me thinking.  I know that both the P-51 and Jug are great planes, and my squad mates routinely land multiple kills in them.  But me, it just seems like it is a lot...easier...to land kills in the spit.   The best I can come up with is that in the typical MA furball that all my fights eventually degenerate to, the spit performs much better than the other rides.  What I mean is that I can fly a B'n Z style in the spit, then eventually blow all my alt, and energy, and then start turning on a dime at tree top level and stay alive alot longer than in the other rides.  

It's leading me to think that either:
a) the Pony and Jug are poor MA performers in that, by nature of the MA, you're putting them into situations for which they are poorly suited, or

b) I can be lazy with my dogfighting in the spit because it simply outperforms most other planes in that it can fly zoomie, and can also turn like crazy.

I guess my ultimate point is that I think I turn to the spit when I start feeling like I want to be lazy with my ACM skills, and want to have a larger margin of error.

I don't know...what do you guys think?

I don't think yer being "lazy", you seem do well in the Spit because "BnZ" is not your style.    "Laziness" or "cockiness" in a furball is when someone who see's you, turns right in front of you, and prompty gets shot down.

[ColKLink]

Hers a bit of free advice....its worth what ya are about to pay for it,....nuthing,....but war planes are a bit like motocross bikes (new),..they all are extreamly good at what they do,..some do this better, another does that better, theres always a trade off, either in handling or performance, when you find the ride that does the things that fit your style, you've found your ride...nevermind what the critics says. fly what works for you./:cool:

[lagger86]

I bought into flying planes that aren't dweeb rides (like I thought it mattered)...I tried to fly with honor and respect(because I thought I should), but what I have realized is that I pay 14.95 a month to have fun and I don't need a bunch of rules telling me what's fun. I love spit's, they were amazing planes in the REAL world and they are fun to fly in AH. I have decided to fly whatever I want whenever I want and just play because it's fun.

[Edbert]

Originally posted by halcyon
How do you know the people that talk about the Spit16 in this thread have never flown the plane?
Don't assume.

Is that you Voss?

[SkyRock]

Originally posted by Citabria


liking the spitfire and La7 only makes you a little bit gay not a flamer
 phancy phlying machines!

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by halcyon
The AoA (Angle of Attack) {a.k.a G-Force} is not even close to being accurately modeled in this game.
The Spit 16 in Aces High can pull maneuvers that are physically not possible in the real world.

Granted I know this is a video game, but since a lot of realistic elements already exist in the game, I think it's fair to compare the in-game Spit16 "handling realism model" to other planes such as the P-51 and the P-47.
So what I'm really saying here, is that the reason you're finding the Spit16 so much easier to fly is because of flawed flight and physics game mechanics that favor this plane over all others.

As someone else said, the plane needs to be perked given it's current condition vs other aircraft.
And yes, if you fly it, you are forever branded a noob and dweeb.

So please present all your research and data that would prove your point and at the same time prove that Pyro's research and data is "not even close".

I mean, if it is that far off ... then there must be some glaring piece of evidence/data that Pyro completely missed.

I'm sure that he would love to see your data so that he can fix the "Spits" ASAP.

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by halcyon
How do you know the people that talk about the Spit16 in this thread have never flown the plane?
Don't assume.

RUT-ROH ... Voss is in 'da house.

[Lusche]

Originally posted by BaldEagl
Oddly the Seafire is 10th on the K+D list at 106,616 but 50th on the K/D list at 0.85 (evidently there are a lot of masochists among us).

I'd rather think that's not the reason. It's because most people conceive the Seafire as the "easiest" carrier based plane - needs less attention & skill than the blue birds and can survive a few hits more by nearby field ack than the Zero. Away from CV battles Seafires are still pretty rare.

[Oldman731]

Originally posted by toonces3
I can be lazy with my dogfighting in the spit because it simply outperforms most other planes in that it can fly zoomie, and can also turn like crazy.

I agree with this.  Except for the Spit I and Spit V, which are not markedly superior in their appropriate time periods.

- oldman

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by hubsonfire
I'd be interested to hear what actual Spitfire pilots have to say, as opposed to a bunch of dorks sitting around arguing on the internet about the flight characteristics of planes they've never even touched.

Post of the year right here.

[Citabria]

there is nothing wrong with the spitfire flight model or physics. it isnt as great as these losers that never fly it and only fly against it think it is.

spitfires are sitting ducks plain and simple. they are to slow to catch any E fighter unless diving from high above and they have about as much ammo as a 109F. thats pretty sorry if you think about it. its got one good burst of speed and thats when it dives from alt itude but you can't dive up and once it dives that E is gone or at the very least greatly diminished.

how are you guys even having any trouble at all with spitfires?

im 43 to 0 vs the spit16 and
im 35 to 2 vs the spit8

easy targets plain and simple.

[storch]

the spitfire is not what it once was way back when.  in the hands of a skilled player it is still a tough opponent though.

[SteveBailey]

And it out dives a P51 or a P47

Vanscrew, tell me, what spit out dives a pony because I've yet to run into one?
  I am equally suspicious about your claim that any spit could outdive an N.




Steve

[Bucky73]

lazy

[evenhaim]

i have no prob with spits i acutally like the spit 1 but the only thing is ive seen the spit16 preform moves that defey gravity in all senses going from a stall to a climb to catch a 400 ph p51...
thats my only slight concern;)