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Offline AKIron

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« Reply #75 on: May 19, 2007, 07:43:56 AM »
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Can we stop for a moment and ask, what does a young girl being stoned in accordance with Islamic Sharia law have to do with Christianity?
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Your point is taken however I would still reply that because of our sinful nature there is nothing we as humans do that does not reflect our need for Christ.
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« Reply #76 on: May 19, 2007, 07:55:20 AM »
Look beneath the surface of any major organization in this world, religious or laic, and you'll find that some of its adherents are less than sterling characters.  


While individual Christian sects conduct protests outside of abortion clinics, and campaign for the election of candidates who advocate a Christian lifestyle, acts of violence against other religions or the ungodly are considered by the vast body of church-goers as aberrations to be condemned.


As to the Inquisition, it was aimed as much at critics of the Catholic Church hierarchy as it was at Jews.  The criticism of the Church and its monetary and ethical corruption predates Martin Luther, and has its origins in leaders such as Jon Huss of Bohemia and Jerome of Prague, both of whom were excommunicated as heretics and executed by the Church.

The Protestant Reformation, and the wars fought in northern Europe to protect it from Church retribution were watershed events in Christianity.  The failure of the Church to rein in the Protestant movement forced it to look inward and address the faults that had led so many to abandon it.  The Counter-Reformation that resulted was the beginning of the end for militant Christianity.  

Arising six centuries ago, the Reformation put Christianity on a long, often side-tracked path toward greater tolerance for, and acceptanace of, differing religious beliefs.  Individual Christians or Christian sects might differ in attitudes about particular beliefs and attitudes, but the walk down that path continues.

Unfortunately, Islam has not undergone a similar movement.  Until it does, the persecution of others of different faiths, the violence, the stoning of women, will continue.

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« Reply #77 on: May 19, 2007, 09:12:30 AM »
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You lot are aware that the incident in question was not conducted by Muslims but by members of a pre-muslim religion: the Yezidis?
The excuse given was that the girl had had the temerity to fall in love with a muslim man and was accused of converting to Islam: see http://www.amnestyusa.org/document....ENGMDE140292007




I just realized this recently, Pei.  I suppose I should apologise to muslims for the error, but they are still implicated in this, and for a couple of reasons i won't be retracting my commments about Islam.

 muslims often commit honor killings in addition to their other flavours of murder, and have for centurys.

 I read that the actual reason the girl was killed was because the Yezidis thought she had sex with the Muslim boy.  It was actually area muslims who assumed that she was killed because she converted to Islam. (no linky but you should be able to find the info easily) BTW, autopsy showed that the girl died a virgin.

I also read an analysis, (again, sorry, no linky) that said that the minority Yezidis, who are pariahs in the region, are extra harsh in carrying out honor killings so as to impress the muslims of the larger culture with their devoutness and high honor - sort of a killing competition to show who has the most honor.

Can you separate Islamic culture from the middle east?  i don't think so.  the honor killings occur against this backdrop, the Yezidis a subculture of Islamic culture which was born in the sand and covers the region like a blanket.  Yezidis live under that blanket.  all part of the bad thing that leads these stone age schizophrenics to cruelly kill a girl with stones and then cover up her legs as she lays there because it is "imoral" for a girls's legs to be seen.
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« Reply #78 on: May 19, 2007, 09:27:35 AM »
I think we would be just as outraged if a christian religion and it's beliefs caused the stoning...

We aren't because..  well.. there is no christian religion today that does that.

There is no christian religion that has a jihad or says "convert or die"

There are no christian suicide bombers blowing up women and children or flying passenger liners into buildings.

We can say that muslim and christian religions are the same but by doing so we would be saying that we are idiots.

I am no fan of having any church tell me what to do...  I am no fan of having you liberal socialists tell me what to do either tho.    

I would say that the liberal socialists are like christians  and muslims in that they believe that their religion gives them the right to tell people what to do.

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« Reply #79 on: May 19, 2007, 09:44:34 AM »
A few well placed Nukes would settle this once and for all.

One Nuke in Mecca during Ramadam would work.. a second one 3 days later as they walk around the crater.

Screw the Islamic bassturds!... The quiet ones that don't speak out against the violence and the extremist fanatical jihad scum.

Fry them all...give them all martydum... let them put up with 70 Virgins all in the kitchen.

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« Reply #80 on: May 19, 2007, 10:58:00 AM »
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Originally posted by AWMac
A few well placed Nukes would settle this once and for all.

One Nuke in Mecca during Ramadam would work.. a second one 3 days later as they walk around the crater.

Screw the Islamic bassturds!... The quiet ones that don't speak out against the violence and the extremist fanatical jihad scum.

Fry them all...give them all martydum... let them put up with 70 Virgins all in the kitchen.

Mac
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What an intelligent thought.
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« Reply #81 on: May 19, 2007, 11:10:26 AM »
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We can say that muslim and christian religions are the same but by doing so we would be saying that we are idiots.
lazs

I think both groups are equally gullible.
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« Reply #82 on: May 19, 2007, 12:25:29 PM »
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Organized Religion is Man's worst invention ever.  Been responsible for more pain, suffering, war, death, destruction, and atrocities than any other.

I'm staying agnostic.


Take a leap-of-non-faith for a minute...Imagine(lol) a world where nobody belives in a "God".

I wonder how many people(s) would strap on a suicide bomb or sling an M16 over their shoulder if they knew that if they died,their one and only chance at existance was over?

Religion is nothing more than a ficticious invention of mankind to keep the poor souls on the killing feilds from questioning their leaders...and thus cheapens the sanctity of life.

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« Reply #83 on: May 19, 2007, 12:27:51 PM »
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Take a leap-of-non-faith for a minute...Imagine(lol) a world where nobody belives in a "God".


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« Reply #84 on: May 19, 2007, 12:41:33 PM »
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Originally posted by SirLoin
Take a leap-of-non-faith for a minute...Imagine(lol) a world where nobody belives in a "God".

I wonder how many people(s) would strap on a suicide bomb or sling an M16 over their shoulder if they knew that if they died,their one and only chance at existance was over?

Religion is nothing more than a ficticious invention of mankind to keep the poor souls on the killing feilds from questioning their leaders...and thus cheapens the sanctity of life.

And don't let your kids watch "Teletubbies"..It will make them homosexual.


What difference does anything make if there is no supernatural realm? The universe will eventually expand until even the smallest of particles are light years apart. Believing this what difference does it make how anyone lives their life? I think your "sanctity of life" would mean nothing to those with this belief.
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« Reply #85 on: May 19, 2007, 02:29:17 PM »
SirLoin and tedrbr,

You guys sure you want to follow that line of reasoning?  The track record of world rulers following atheistic "isms" during the twentieth century isn't very good.  In fact, one might say that THEY inflicted more pain and suffering upon humanity than all religious groups combined.  

The rejection of religion certainly allowed them to embrace new and revolutionary ethical mores....didn't it?

Regards, Shuckins
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« Reply #86 on: May 19, 2007, 02:32:43 PM »
I think both groups are equally gullible.
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You will not find Christians committing suicide for the purpose of killing other non Christians, big difference in the way life is viewed between the two faiths.  

Your still making a tremendous error believing the two faiths are equivalent.
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« Reply #87 on: May 19, 2007, 04:27:41 PM »
The equivalence lies in the delusion.
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« Reply #88 on: May 19, 2007, 05:10:44 PM »
The equivalence lies in the delusion.
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can you prove that eternal life is a delusion, or is it your "opinion" that life ends forever upon death?  One could very easily argue that believing that life ends forever upon death, and that no afterlife exists, is in its own right, a religious belief.
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« Reply #89 on: May 19, 2007, 06:24:06 PM »
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Originally posted by straffo
The inquisition started way before the reform


Which Inquisition?  Catholic Church has had a few of them:

Inquisition against the Cathars (a form of Gnostic) was instituted in 1229.  Pope Innocent III's Crusade against the Cathars could have taught Hitler a thing or two about how to do genocide right.