P-40 Question...

[Bruno]

MTO  (Sicily / Italy) July '43 to September '43 - I trying to get an idea of the ratio of P-40s / Kittyhawks in relation to other aircraft like the P-38, Spitfires etc...

What I have so far is:

1st FG - P-38
82nd FG - P-38
14th FG - P-38

325th FG - P-40
33rd FG - P-40
81st FG - P-40
325th FG - P-40
57th FG - P-40
79th FG - P-40

USAAF Chronology: COMBAT CHRONOLOGY OF THE US ARMY AIR FORCES JULY 1943

USAAF Chronology: COMBAT CHRONOLOGY OF THE US ARMY AIR FORCES AUGUST 1943

USAAF Chronology: COMBAT CHRONOLOGY OF THE US ARMY AIR FORCES September 1943

Mediterranean & Southern Front 1943. Vol II (PDF)

Scroll to July - August - September 1943 and read the entries under 'Jafü Sizilien' - 'Jafü Süd-Italien' - 'Jafü Ober-Italien'.

The above .pdf was compiled by Tony Woods:

Tony Wood's Combat Claims & Casualties Lists

Obviously P-40s were doing a lot in July and early August (Husky). If anyone has any useful data please post it...

TIA

[Guppy35]

You have the Spits from the previous Spit IX question as I gave you all the MTO Spit squadrons including the USAAF ones.

Kittyhawks from the same Order of Battle July 1943.  Totals out to 22 Squadrons of Kittyhawk/Warhawks

5 Squadron SAAF (Kittyhawks)
3 RAAF (Kittyhawks)
112 (Kittyhawks)
250 (Kittyhawks)
260 (Kittyhawks)
450 RAAF (Kittyhawks)

57th, 79th FGs USAAF  6 Squadrons  (Merlin engined Warhawks)

33rd, 324th FG USAA   6 Squadrons (Merlin engined Warhawks)

325th FG  3 Squadrons  (Merlin engined Warhawks)

11/5 French  (Warhawks)

[Guppy35]

The 38 Groups you have are correct.  Obviously you are talking about 12 Squadrons total of P38F/Gs

350th FG had three squadrons of P39s.

81st FG had 2 Squadrons of P39s

27th FG, 86th FG had 6 squadrons of Allison Mustangs (A36/P51)

111th Tac Recon Squadron  Allison P51s

I count 21 Squadrons of Hurricanes on that 1943 MTO order of Battle too

[Squire]

Maybe we could save all this for the next time Husky is run.

You doing an IL-2 scenario Bruno?

[Bruno]

Maybe we could save all this for the next time Husky is run.  

Now that you mention that I had no Idea Husky was next up for AH - until I began searching the forums...

I am putting together an Orbat for an Il-2 'on line war'. I am an Admin for the Il-2 on line campaign Forgotten Skies

The server handles 150 players and our numbers per mission are around 70-75 the last mission:

74 players were in this mission, flying in a total of 167 planes.

These run 90 minutes - 3 missions per week - Sunday, Tuesday, Friday at 21:20 EST (-5 UTC 21:20 New York Time). Right now we are in Phase 1 'April / May '42 - Malta' - 15 missions . Phase 2 will be July - Sept 43 - 20 missions. Phase 3 will be Phase 3 - February 1944 25 missions.

LW / RA OOB:

Operational Fighter & Reconnaissance Units of Luftflotte 2 - 10 July 1943

Day-Fighter:
IV./JG 3 - Bf 109G-6 - 36 (28 ) - Lecce Italy

II./JG 27 - Bf 109 - 22 (14 ) - Vibo Valentia Italy (July - mix of Bf 109G-4, Bf 109G-4/R1, Bf 109G-6 - August 23 Bf 109G-6s)

II./JG 51 - Bf 109G-6 - 34 (23 ) - Casa Zeppara Sardinia: to Trapani

Stab/JG 53 - Bf 109G-6 - 6 (2 ) - Comiso Sicily
I./JG 53 - Bf 109G 36 - (15 ) - Vibo Valentia Italy (July - mix of Bf 109G-4/R1, Bf 109G-6)
II./JG 53 - Bf 109 23 - (18 ) - Gerbini Sicily (July - mix of Bf 109G-4/Trop, Bf 109G-6/Trop)
III./JG 53 - Bf 109 30 - (12 ) - Catania Sicily (July - mix of Bf 109G-4/Trop, Bf 109G-6/Trop)

Stab/JG 77 - Bf 109G-6 - 3 (2 ) - Trapani Sicily
I./JG 77 - Bf 109G-6 - 39 - (18 ) - Trapani & Sciacca Sicily
II./JG 77 - Bf 109G-6 - 35 - (3 ) - Trapani & Gerbini Sicily
III./JG 77 - Bf 109G-6 - 36 - (30 ) - Chilivani Sardinia

Fighter-Bomber (Jabo):
Stab/SKG 10 - Fw 190A-5/U8 - 4 (2 ) - Gerbini Sicily
II./SKG 10 - Fw 190A-5/U8 - 20 (12 ) - Gerbini Sicily Montecorvino Italy
III./SKG 10 - Fw 190A-5/U8 - 25 (18 ) - San Pietro Sicily Montecorvino Italy
IV./SKG 10 - Fw 190A-5 - 25 (11 ) - Gerbini Sicily

Twin Engine Fighter (Zerstörer):
II./ZG 1 - Bf 110G-2 - 33 (17 ) - Montecorvino Italy
Stab/ZG 26 - Bf 110G-2 - 2 (2 ) - Napoli-Camaldoli Italy
III./ZG 26 - Bf 110G-2 - 29 (25 ) - Ciampino & Pisa Italy
10./ZG 26 - Ju 88C-6 - 17 (7 ) - Pratica di Mare Italy

Ground-Attack (Schlacht):
Stab/Schl.G 2 - Fw 190A-5/U3 3 (2 ) - Milis (Sardinia) to Castelvetrano (Sicily)
I./Schl.G 2 - 4. Staffel - Fw 190 - 32 (20 ) Milis - (Sardinia) to Castelvetrano (Sicily) (Mix of Fw 190A-5 and Hs 129B-1/2)
III./Schl.G 2 - 8. Staffel - Fw 190 - 27 (15 ) - Milis (Sardinia) to Castelvetrano (Sicily) (Mix of Fw 190A-5 and Hs 129B-1/2)

Ref: R.A.F. A.I. 3b OB

R.A. Sicily 9 July 1943
Aeronautica Sicilia:
9 Gruppo Sdq 73-96-97 with 18 Mc.202/205 Catania
10 Gruppo Sqd 84-90-91 with 20 Mc.202/205 Catania
16 Gruppo Sqd 167-168-169 with 22 Mc202 Castelvetrano
21 Gruppo Sqd.356-361-386 with 33? Mc202 Chinisia
66 Gruppo Sqd.40-87 with Ca313/314 Gerbini
83 Gruppo Sqd. 170-186 with 20 RS14 - 4 Z506B - 2 Z506S - 1Z501-1Ba25 Augusta
103 Gruppo Sqd. 207-237 with 6 Ju87D-3 Chinisia
150 Gruppo Sqd.363-364-365 with 25 Bf109G Sciacca
153 Gruppo Sqd.372-373-371 with 24 Mc202 Chinisia
157 Gruppo Sqd.163-357-371 with 12 Mc200 Reggio Calabria
161 Gruppo Sqd.162-164-371 with ? Mc202 7 D520 Reggio Calabria
384 Sdq. with Mc200 Reggio Calabria
7 help section with 2 Rs14 Siracusa

4° Squadra
97 Stormo Sdq.226-227 with 15 Ro57bis Crotone

10-13 July
8 Re 2005 from Napoli 22 Gruppo
8 Mc 202 from Cerveteri 3° Stormo
10 Mc205 from 51 Stormo
6 Ju 87 CIII Gruppo Tuffatori
15 Cr42 15 Stormo Assalto
20 Re 2002 from Tarquinia CII Stormo Assalto
14 G50 from Pistoia CLIX Stormo Assalto
8 Ju 87 from Sardegna CIII Gruppo Tuffatori
14 Ju87 from Lonate Pozzolo CXXI Gr. Tuffatori
12 Re2002 from Lonate Pozzolo CI Gruppo Assalto
11 S84 43° from Lonate Pozzolo Stormo BT
5 G50 from Osoppo CLVIII Gruppo Assalto.

Thanks for all the help - I appreciate it...

Wotan

[Squire]

Ahh, was just wondering, cool.

[Brooke]

Bruno, are you playing in the upcoming Operation Husky scenario?  We'd love to have you join us.