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Offline evenhaim

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« on: May 18, 2007, 12:24:28 PM »


none of the books i have state what model these planes are, i bleieve the 109 is a g6 or g14 and the spit a 9???

but the books do state that the 109s where stolen(and or purchased) from the chezck and were givin the name avia199
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« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2007, 12:27:35 PM »
some more des::
The IAF's first Spitfire was put together in 1948, from parts of British planes that the RAF had left behind when the British pulled out of Palestine. The plane carried out various airborne intelligence missions. A second Spitfire was built, this time from the remains of an Egyptian plane shot down by AAA while attacking Sde Dov on May 1948. The plane was taken to the 'Kiryah' area in northern Tel Aviv and patched up. It equipped the IAF air fleet together with 3 additional Spitfires that had been purchased from Czechoslovakia. A short time later, 47 additional planes arrived by air and sea, in Operation 'Velveta'. Before the end of 1949, nine more Spitfires had arrived, also bought in Czechoslovakia, and after the war 30 more were brought in from Italy.

The two Spitfires that had been assembled in Israel entered service in the 'First Combat Squadron' during the second lull in fighting in the War of Independence. The first was a photo reconnaissance plane that 'Mahal' volunteer John Doyle used for a photo reconnaissance flight over Damascus. A technical malfunction later caused it to burn down while on the ground.

On October 15 1948, three Spitfires accompanied two Beaufighters in an attack on El Arish, and the next day another Spitfire escorted two B-17 bombers raiding Faluja. In the 1950's the planes were organized in 3 different squadrons, escorting bombers and carrying out espionage activity. In air battles during the War of Independence, The Israeli Spitfires shot down around 12 airplanes - a number that was without precedent at the time.

The IAF Spitfires were sold to Burma in 1954. A number of planes, including the 'Black Spitfire', were left in Israel, at the initiative of Ezer Weizmann. Two are on display in IAF Museum at Hatzerim, and one of theses is still flightworthy; it is among the handful of Spitfires in the world that are still in flying condition.
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« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2007, 12:39:22 PM »
P-51 and 190 i think.
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« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2007, 01:37:25 PM »
My guess Spitfire and Macchia 202/205
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« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2007, 01:40:03 PM »
They're an IAF Spit IX and a Avia S.199.

S.199 is basically a late-model G6R6 with a different engine (I think the Jumo off a Ju88). Massive torque, nose heavy, and dang near impossible to fly for the average pilot.
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« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2007, 01:59:04 PM »
they are aero-planes

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« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2007, 02:08:02 PM »
thanks trieze so i was right ok:aok
furball ur mean :(
the rest of u are out right dum doo de doo:huh
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« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2007, 02:13:55 PM »
On November 17th 1948, Mahal volunteer Rudy Augertine (who would later become the First Combat Squadron's commander) found himself up against three Egyptian Spitfires. The dogfight took place over the 'Faluja Pocket' in Sinai: the enemy planes were trying to provide cover for an airdrop of supplies to an Egyptian force trapped in the Pocket. Augertine, an experienced pilot who was considered to be one of the IAF's aces, proved he desrved his reputation by shooting down two of the Egyptian Spitfires

for the 109

The Messerschmitts turned out to be hard to fly, and posed a serious maintenance challenge. They exacted many casualties from among the pilots that flew them during the war, including the commander of the First Squadron. However, it is to their credit that they were the first and only fighter planes in Israel's possession in the initial months of the War of Independence, and made a contribution toward staving off the enemy and defending the country's skies
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« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2007, 02:48:27 PM »

Modi Alon became the first Israeli pilot to down an enemy aircraft with his Mule when on June 3rd, 1948 he shot down two Egyptian C-47’s bombing Tel Aviv. The Egyptians until then have bombed the city with impunity and nobody, neither Egyptians nor the people of Tel Aviv expected to see a lonely Avia coming out of nowhere and blasting the Dakotas out of the air. The morale boost to the Jewish civilian populace was beyond measure, and so was the demoralizing effect on the Egyptians.

The Avia S.199 became the reluctant hero of the hour. Being at the right time and the right place abated for its unforgiving handling but the aircraft exacted a high toll from the Israeli and Gentile pilots who flew it. Many pilots were killed in take off and landing accidents. The Mule had a very heavy nose, too much torque during take off (full power) settings, that combined with the infamous 109’s narrow wheel track made take offs a risky venture. If the pilot survived the take off the aircraft was still a handful because the engine did not develop the right power at the right times. Landings with a nose heavy aircraft were no piece of cake either. Modi Alon perished in a landing accident on October 16th after a mechanical failure prevented his landing gear from deploying. Amidst his attempts to lower the gear, his aircraft, D.114, hit the ground and exploded.

Israel bought 25 Mules and 24 reached the Holy Land. The missing aircraft was impounded by the Italians who were enforcing a UN arms embargo against Palestine. Jewish operatives blew up the Macchi factory that was building and shipping C.205’s to the Egyptians. I surmise that there was no love lost among the parties involved. Of the 24 aircraft, the Israelis were only able to keep a handful airworthy at any given time. Combat, accidents and precarious maintenance resulted in high Mule attrition and by 1949 only six were left, and Spitfires and Mustangs quickly replaced them, the aircraft the Israeli pilots had wanted from the beginning.

Despite its flaws, the S.199 covered itself with glory as the first effective combat aircraft of the new born state of Israel. Its effect as a morale booster probably surpassed its tactical accomplishments in the battlefield.
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« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2007, 02:51:38 PM »
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Originally posted by Furball
P-51 and 190 i think.


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« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2007, 03:12:36 PM »
The Spit is a clipped wing Spitfire LFIXe.  The same bird as our Spitfire XVI except it has a Rolls Merlin 66 instead of a Packard merlin 266

The 109 is a Czech built Avia 199 as already mentioned.

Many of those Spits are still around having made their way to Burma after Isreal.  The black Spit is still flyable in Isreal.
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« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2007, 06:10:29 PM »
yep ive been to that museuem-- its a bout 10 miles from granmas house seen the mustangs and the 109 and ive seen the spit fly on independence day its awsome cause its black with red markings and thereforth stands out in the sky.
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