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Offline Stang

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« Reply #105 on: May 25, 2007, 12:28:56 AM »
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Anyone sitting at 35k running from everything and not getting down and dirty on a regular basis where the food is will not appear in the top 10 on the Fighter chart in this life-time, I promise you...Unless of course they vulch their bellybutton off or farm buff kills with a 262 regularly...
And so describes my boy Pacerr.

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« Reply #106 on: May 25, 2007, 06:02:29 AM »
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Either do I , I just care about surviving and whipping arse in the process. The point of my little illustration was to refute the position that flying 35k and being incredibly timid equates to some kind of magically blessed K/D endowed path to Fighter-Rank-potato-Dom. In truth the exact opposite is true. The best possible way to get a top fighter rank is to get to the fight as fast as possible kill 5-10 and die while retaining good marksmanship during the process. That's part of the reason so many Lgay7 tards with no discernable fighter talents appear in the top 50 in Fighters. Their plane is suited to that mode of play. So, even an average stick in an Lgay7 can produce the right ratio of sub-stats to eek out a spot if they log enough hours.

Anyone sitting at 35k running from everything and not getting down and dirty on a regular basis where the food is will not appear in the top 10 on the Fighter chart in this life-time, I promise you...Unless of course they vulch their bellybutton off or farm buff kills with a 262 regularly...

Zazen


Zazen, you've known me for 5 years as a Rook.    What makes "karaya happy", is flying into a furball and getting as many pelts as I can.    I don't even have to land, but I do WANT TO FIGHT.   "Fighting" is the whole point of the game which has become forgotten to many.
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« Reply #107 on: May 25, 2007, 06:52:52 AM »
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Zazen, you've known me for 5 years as a Rook.    What makes "karaya happy", is flying into a furball and getting as many pelts as I can.    I don't even have to land, but I do WANT TO FIGHT.   "Fighting" is the whole point of the game which has become forgotten to many.


Yea, I totally respect that and of course fighting is the point of "Fight"er Combat. What I am saying is, fighting and rank are really two sides of the same coin. Alot of people achieve a good rank consistantly without even thinking about it, merely by posessing skill and fighting for its own sake. You simply can't genuinely have a good fighter rank, vulching and 262 buff farming notwithstanding, without getting your hands dirty. It simply isn't possible to achieve a high enough K/T without getting deeply involved in a fight during at least some point in an average fighter hop...So, to say the prescence of good fighter rank is an indication of someone who doesn't really fight is ludicrous for the most part, with the notable exceptions mentioned above of course....

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« Reply #108 on: May 25, 2007, 07:52:51 AM »
So, to say the prescence of good fighter rank is an indication of someone who doesn't really fight is ludicrous for the most part, with the notable exceptions mentioned above of course....

Not so sure I agree with that.

Looking at the top 50 this morning, I would say that the only ones that I consider to be "real" fighters are ...

kappa
Fester
Greebo
WingZeRo
Soulyss
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Steve

that is 7 out of 50 ... I see some names that are decent fighters, but I also see a lot of names in that list who couldn't find their arse with both hands when it comes to dogfighting, along with alot of names that I never even heard of.
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« Reply #109 on: May 25, 2007, 08:24:24 AM »
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Yea, I totally respect that and of course fighting is the point of "Fight"er Combat. What I am saying is, fighting and rank are really two sides of the same coin. Alot of people achieve a good rank consistantly without even thinking about it, merely by posessing skill and fighting for its own sake. You simply can't genuinely have a good fighter rank, vulching and 262 buff farming notwithstanding, without getting your hands dirty. It simply isn't possible to achieve a high enough K/T without getting deeply involved in a fight during at least some point in an average fighter hop...So, to say the prescence of good fighter rank is an indication of someone who doesn't really fight is ludicrous for the most part, with the notable exceptions mentioned above of course....

Zazen


Agree to a point.   There are a bunch that play this game that are "naturals".    But most potato themselves for the sake of "name in lights".  <> Zaz
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« Reply #110 on: May 25, 2007, 09:37:48 AM »
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So, to say the prescence of good fighter rank is an indication of someone who doesn't really fight is ludicrous for the most part, with the notable exceptions mentioned above of course....

Not so sure I agree with that.

Looking at the top 50 this morning, I would say that the only ones that I consider to be "real" fighters are ...

kappa
Fester
Greebo
WingZeRo
Soulyss
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Steve

that is 7 out of 50 ... I see some names that are decent fighters, but I also see a lot of names in that list who couldn't find their arse with both hands when it comes to dogfighting, along with alot of names that I never even heard of.


There's some excellent pilots in the top 50, maybe a dozen. The rest are cannon fodder 1v1.

However, some of those dozen have been flying late-war fighters to a large extent (262, Tempest and so on).

I have never based my opinion of a pilot's ability upon scoring. I base my opinion of a pilot's ability on how they do 1v1 against me. That is a benchmark that means something to me.

Clobbering noobs while in a Tempest means nothing to me. Vulching in a Niki means nothing to me. The arenas are chock full of kids with no skills whatsoever. Most noobs spend less than an hour in the TA before they head off to the MAs. Stevie Wonder could run up an impressive score against these guys.  

Win the KOTH, win the dueling ladder, that has some meaning. You had to fight and defeat some really capable pilots in these events.

Something else that cracks me up... Whining about having to take a ditch with several kills. "Dammit, I lost those kills 'cause I ran out of gas!"

They didn't lose the kills...They're just unhappy because their name isn't splashed across the text buffer and their egos were not assuaged.

This is why many don't like to duel in the Training Arena. No kills are recorded, no mention of their skill appears in text buffer (or anywhere else). I guess some people need that positive reinforcement... Some don't. I gravitate to those that don't, because they are more interested in having fun, rather than gnashing teeth over scores.

My regards,

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« Reply #111 on: May 25, 2007, 09:49:24 AM »
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Looking at the top 50 this morning, I would say that the only ones that I consider to be "real" fighters are ...

kappa
Fester
Greebo
WingZeRo
Soulyss
aka
Steve

Not only is Soulyss a death-on-wings figure, he's also a true gentleman.  Was fighting him a week ago when one of his countrymen decided to come pitch in.  Every time the guy made a move on me, Soulyss went wings-level and departed the area until the situation was resolved, and only then returned to the fight.  Memorable, it was, something that it would be nice to see more of.

- oldman
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« Reply #112 on: May 25, 2007, 10:00:32 AM »
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Not only is Soulyss a death-on-wings figure, he's also a true gentleman.  Was fighting him a week ago when one of his countrymen decided to come pitch in.  Every time the guy made a move on me, Soulyss went wings-level and departed the area until the situation was resolved, and only then returned to the fight.  Memorable, it was, something that it would be nice to see more of.

- oldman

I am not an uber stick, but I am getting better.  What you said there is a rare occurance in the MA.  

It happened to me the other night, and I was impressed..  I ended up towering out first, but it was quite a battle..  

For some squads, you can count on them running unless they are at least 2v1 or better.   Funny thing is, many of them won't DA me, and I stink...

I guess it's their $15...  (chickens).
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« Reply #113 on: May 25, 2007, 10:04:14 AM »
I think you all are dangerous on any given day. A noob can get lucky but you guys who have been at this a while can school the average pretty easily. Do not sell yourselves short by any means. If you get the big head, the noob will get you. Enjoy your positions because with the rank structure as it stands now there will always be someone gunning for your spot. Whether you play for score or not. It takes all kinds to play this game (been said before). The environment we have now is a product of the group dynamic. If you remove part of the group the structure collapses and the game changes as we know it. I enjoy this game as it is, even with it's many faults. It's still the best sim I've found yet.

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« Reply #114 on: May 25, 2007, 10:47:36 AM »
WW ... "that is 7 out of 50 ... I see some names that are decent fighters" ... could very easy equal a dozen ... ;)

The 7 that I did list, I know are very very dangerous, and I personally enjoy running into them any chance I get ... cause I know that I am in for a most excellent fight.

Like you, I have my own personal "top fighter" list and not many of them are ever ranked in the top 50.
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« Reply #115 on: May 25, 2007, 10:48:11 AM »
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I suggest anyone who thinks flying extremely timidly improves your fighter rank is completely delusional.


You are a perfect example of this.

To compare you to kappa is the apples and oranges you mentioned. Sure kappa has a lot of kills in a 262 but he also mixes it up in 38 a ton, a plane that is very capable of course but one that is not so forgiving as far as egress goes should a fight turn sour.  I fought kappa 1v1 the other day, he was in a jug, and I got a lucky snapshot on his oil.  He could have tried to run for home for the land/ditch but he stayed in the fight and tried to take me with him.  Your tempest wouldn't have even attempted this fight as I was nearly Co-E w/ kappa from the start.  You would have moved on to more baby seals. You two may be in the same squad, but you are not in the same league. Survivalist.... timid.
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« Reply #116 on: May 25, 2007, 10:59:52 AM »
Karaya!

Toad, I'm comin to the MW-EW for a change of scenery... sounds like fun. :)

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« Reply #117 on: May 25, 2007, 11:18:20 AM »
gee thanks slapshot.:(   but since I have fought and beat some of those on you list...I guess I feel ok about being omitted.   hehe
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« Reply #118 on: May 25, 2007, 11:19:08 AM »
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Karaya!

Toad, I'm comin to the MW-EW for a change of scenery... sounds like fun. :)



I may as well Steve.   <> bro
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« Reply #119 on: May 25, 2007, 03:11:38 PM »
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gee thanks slapshot.:(   but since I have fought and beat some of those on you list...I guess I feel ok about being omitted.   hehe


Ya BIG TOOL ... why the change in names ? ... I never knew you changed your CPID to Dolfo ...  :rolleyes:

I have fought all those in that list and I have beaten them too ... but it doesn't put me in their league ... :cry  

And yes ... you are a deadly adversary and always a good fight, along with be a great wingman ... ;)
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