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Offline SlapShot

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« Reply #120 on: May 25, 2007, 03:14:09 PM »
Come one ... Come all to the EW/MW. Toad and I flew against each other and then with each other last week ... I had a blast ... and I think Toad did too.

We were 2 fighting against 3/4/5/6 lifting from a CV until ...
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« Reply #121 on: May 25, 2007, 04:18:46 PM »
hehe  never said I in their leauge...just happy that I have beat them on occasion.;)
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« Reply #122 on: May 25, 2007, 07:00:33 PM »
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You are a perfect example of this.

To compare you to kappa is the apples and oranges you mentioned. Sure kappa has a lot of kills in a 262 but he also mixes it up in 38 a ton, a plane that is very capable of course but one that is not so forgiving as far as egress goes should a fight turn sour.  I fought kappa 1v1 the other day, he was in a jug, and I got a lucky snapshot on his oil.  He could have tried to run for home for the land/ditch but he stayed in the fight and tried to take me with him.  Your tempest wouldn't have even attempted this fight as I was nearly Co-E w/ kappa from the start.  You would have moved on to more baby seals. You two may be in the same squad, but you are not in the same league. Survivalist.... timid.



Yep, I totally agree, I am a completely skill-less and timid survivlist who absolutely never fights under any circumstances. That is exactly my point. Going back to the original poster who posted the notion of adding some kind of UI benefit for kill streaks at which point people came out of the woodwork saying K/D is for Rank potatos. The point of my illustrating a contrast between my score and Kappa's was not to in any way compare relative skill levels, obviously Kappa has more talent in his pinky toe than I could ever dream of having. I am fully aware any two week noob could whip my arse blind-folded, but that was not the point.

The point was to illustrate that K/D among the sub-stats that comprise fighter rank has a very short fuse when it comes to the point of diminishing returns when determining overall fighter rank. That means that very quickly a hardcore survivalist will reach a point where furthering his K/D will not help his fighter rank and can only hurt it. So, being a hardcore survivalist , especially a timid one, which you believe is always the case, can't be about fighter rank whoring, because it is entirely counter-productive to attaining the maximum fighter rank possible...

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« Reply #123 on: May 25, 2007, 07:16:05 PM »
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 a whole bunch of stuff  that I actually read.
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Thanks for clearing that up for me, I misunderstood the point of your first post.  I'm not sure about the two week noob or the pinky toe thing, though.

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« Reply #124 on: May 25, 2007, 07:22:53 PM »
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You won't get it, don't hold your breath.  Many adversarial people use anonymity to keep from being responsible for their actions.


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 My CPID shouldn't have been hard to figure out with  a little thought.
That's my real name there I post with and my home town is in my posted profile so I am about as far from being anonymous as anyone on this board.

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« Reply #125 on: May 25, 2007, 10:00:44 PM »
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Three pilots who all have excellent skills, but three different styles of play (in my experience) and three different levels of pilot respect.

 Paccer



Paccer -
I'm sure I must have had at least one dogfight with him, but I can't remember when.  Don't remember ever seeing him in anything, but a Tempest or LA7.  Totally opportunistic 'safety' player going simply for ego score.  IMO will hang friendly out as bait, BnZ cherry picks other's kills, runs for cover when he sees 1.05 enemy planes in the neighborhood.  
He's good at what he does, no doubt, but he does so little.  He is otherwise a non-entity to me in the game.  He does nothing and means nothing.  My dog has fleas that are more annoying.  No respect for him at all, and of course, he could care less, which in and of itself, makes my point about him.



 i totaly disagree with you, i know Pacerr for 5-6 years in game, i know he sends anoying PMs and sometimes takes the game too serious

but...imop,talking from toolsheder point of view,Pacerr is the best, most eficient agressive base defender for knights,

 This guy busted 1000s,of attacks and missions,killing the C47,M3 or the last floating trooper over town,in last moment, he knows the maps,and the tactic side of the game
  i vulched him many many times, but he breaks through the CAP and defend the base,
 You call him "safety,BZ,,runs,, score "?!  
that's not true, if knights would have a SQD of cloned Pacerrs, they would never losse a base
 Same Loony or HKBlue for rooks,
 that guy HKBlue is a realy pain in the arse, 'last man standing ,busting bish attacks, you vulch him, is upping again and again, until breaks trough the vulchers nest, in his ninja huricaneC, makes it to town and kills the goon or last trooper,
i think you take this "enemy " in cyberspace cartoon game too serious , and forget to appreciate great adversaries that make the game more chalenging and fun
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« Reply #126 on: May 26, 2007, 02:21:01 AM »
nvm
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« Reply #127 on: May 26, 2007, 04:05:37 AM »
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i totaly disagree with you, i know Pacerr for 5-6 years in game, i know he sends anoying PMs and sometimes takes the game too serious

but...imop,talking from toolsheder point of view,Pacerr is the best, most eficient agressive base defender for knights,

 This guy busted 1000s,of attacks and missions,killing the C47,M3 or the last floating trooper over town,in last moment, he knows the maps,and the tactic side of the game

i think you take this "enemy " in cyberspace cartoon game too serious , and forget to appreciate great adversaries that make the game more chalenging and fun


Ghi -
I was only making an example of styles of gameplay that I've seen, and the most prominent players who seem to employ them.  All in the spirit of the conversation of this thread.

Also, in spite of this being just a "game", which none of us should take too seriously, remember that there are real personalities, egos and people behind and animating those cartoon airplanes.  And they socially interact just as effectively, impart their personality, and impact others experience just as significantly as in reality.  The only important difference between the real world and this 'virtual' game is, we can't reach over and smack them if they disrespect, insult or annoy someone.  

Finally, I think you missed one very important point I previously made which is, everyone's perception is different due to the personal experience with said individual, whomever that might be.  I used Paccer only as a commonly accepted (based on consensus of opinions from the community I hear) practitioner of the negative gameplay I described.  My purpose was not to trash him, per se.

You've been in the game longer than me and maybe have had more contact with Paccer than I have, and it seems, had better experiences.  I state only what I've seen (as objectively as possible) in my 2 years and it is the result of "my" experience with him.  This includes playing with him on his side from time to time, and purposely watching what he does and how he does it.  
As an opponent, I have seen him give spirited base defence - twice that I can remember, so he is capable.  But, it's more an extreme exception than a rule, IN MY EXPERIENCE.  You have seen a totally different side, and I'm not going to say you're wrong, just that he has not show the same side to me, or others.

Also, while not conclusive of course (merely indicitive), I have never heard anyone else voice your perception of Paccer while in the game, but have heard dozens who believe to some degree in mine. This is purely anecdotal evidence, but for my money, where there is significant smoke, there is likely to be some fire, and from what I've heard (whether right or wrong)this seems to be the prevailing reputation of Paccer as far as his gameplay is concerned.  

He's skilled and deadly in his uber rides, and is probably a wonderful guy.  For my taste and in my experience, he more often goes to the other extreme in gameplay, which I don't respect much.  He just has his priorities screwed up, based on MY value system, all of which is really only important to me.
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« Reply #128 on: May 26, 2007, 10:30:16 AM »
this would just send pacerr into the moon's orbit.

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« Reply #129 on: May 28, 2007, 08:13:10 PM »
2389 thats my rank, man do i suck,  I should just quit, nah screw that, this is by far the greatist game ever made, and some day i might be able to break into the 100 ranks:rolleyes:

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« Reply #130 on: May 28, 2007, 10:47:02 PM »
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2389 thats my rank, man do i suck,  I should just quit, nah screw that, this is by far the greatist game ever made, and some day i might be able to break into the 100 ranks:rolleyes:


We're talking Fighter rank only..Not overall rank.. You have a 700 sumfin' fighter rank. ;)

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« Reply #131 on: May 30, 2007, 01:18:47 PM »
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We're talking Fighter rank only..Not overall rank.. You have a 700 sumfin' fighter rank. ;)

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« Reply #132 on: May 30, 2007, 01:57:41 PM »
I had a quest for this current tour, fly EWA & MWA rides in the LWA and avg. a 2 K/D.   I've met it, and next Tour will try to challenge myself further.    I haven't even looked at my rank.    Only thing I glance at is my K/D.
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« Reply #133 on: May 30, 2007, 02:02:16 PM »
It would be kinda cool if they had thresholds so when you landed the color of the text would be different than the yellow standard. Maybe at 20 kills it was blue, at 30 red, etc.

  Of course this would only be for fighters not GVs :P

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« Reply #134 on: June 04, 2009, 11:35:52 AM »


 i totaly disagree with you, i know Pacerr for 5-6 years in game, i know he sends anoying PMs and sometimes takes the game too serious

but...imop,talking from toolsheder point of view,Pacerr is the best, most eficient agressive base defender for knights,

 This guy busted 1000s,of attacks and missions,killing the C47,M3 or the last floating trooper over town,in last moment, he knows the maps,and the tactic side of the game
  i vulched him many many times, but he breaks through the CAP and defend the base,
 You call him "safety,BZ,,runs,, score "?!  
that's not true, if knights would have a SQD of cloned Pacerrs, they would never losse a base
 Same Loony or HKBlue for rooks,
 that guy HKBlue is a realy pain in the arse, 'last man standing ,busting bish attacks, you vulch him, is upping again and again, until breaks trough the vulchers nest, in his ninja huricaneC, makes it to town and kills the goon or last trooper,
i think you take this "enemy " in cyberspace cartoon game too serious , and forget to appreciate great adversaries that make the game more chalenging and fun

Well, that was nice thing to say Ghi  :salute