Can Someone Explain Current ENY Rankings?

[zorstorer]

Originally posted by 1K3
If i remember...

The more people use the planes such as Hurri 2c, it gets lower ENY (10)

Unpopular german rides such as the 190A-8/F-8 and 109G-6 gets higher ENY

Look at the ENY for the A8 vs the F8....that ratio makes no sense

[Gianlupo]

Originally posted by Squire
So?

A1=Eny=MC2       Enym-Enym2
_________   x     __________  = MEWq

A2=Eny=MC2          H(E)


I think that works for multiple arenas.

Yeah, that is, Squire! I chose the easy formula because I didn't want to embarass the guys, here.

[Seagoon]

Ok then, what aspects of the Wildcat make it worthy of ENY 20? Against turn radius we have low speed, No WEP, slow climb, no Cannons, and a relatively light Ammo load for the 6x.50 package. Having flown both it and its ENY 20 stablemate the LA5 I can tell you the LA5 is MUCH easier to fly and get kills with.  Also, popularity can't be the key as one sees the F4F in the late war MAs rarely if at all.

Also, why are later improved variants of the same plane grouped together?

Thanks for your patience.

[Lusche]

Originally posted by Seagoon
Ok then, what aspects of the Wildcat make it worthy of ENY 20? Against turn radius we have low speed, No WEP, slow climb, no Cannons, and a relatively light Ammo load for the 6x.50 package. Having flown both it and its ENY 20 stablemate the LA5 I can tell you the LA5 is MUCH easier to fly and get kills with.  Also, popularity can't be the key as one sees the F4F in the late war MAs rarely if at all.

Also, why are later improved variants of the same plane grouped together?

Thanks for your patience.

I think Squire's post explains it all...

[Gianlupo]

I knew it! I knew it! The formulae are too complicated!

[Krusty]

Originally posted by zorstorer
Look at the ENY for the A8 vs the F8....that ratio makes no sense

A8 and A5 are currently swapped. I've been pointing that out for probably a year now.

[Ghastly]

All joking aside, I believe that ideally ENY should be set by some statistical process (My first "take" on it would be to standardize the fighter vs fighter K/D ratio over several TOD's around a mean of 20 with a spread of 20, and then round up to the nearest 5).

That way, it would be solely based upon a statistical calculation, and not subject to individual interpretation.

[morfiend]

Originally posted by Squire
So?

A1=Eny=MC2       Enym-Enym2
_________   x     __________  = Newb

A2=Eny=MC2          H(E)


I think that works for multiple arenas.

  err I thought a correction was required..

[Nilsen]

ENY shoulld be based on the pilot.

For every completed tour the eny should drop from 40 down to 10 in all rides. There should ofcourse not then be an ENY cap determening if you can up or not or all the vets would be grounded when numbers are odd.






Yes, this is a joke, ofcourse they should be grounded. ( iwant my life back gdmnit!!

[Ghastly]

Well.... kiss my grits!  Normalizing the Kill/Death of each fighter vs all other vehicles (as close as I can easily get to each fighter vs every other fighter with the score data on the web site) nets some pretty surprising numbers if you simply normalize and range them to get an ENY value between 5 and 40.

 

Fighter            K/D Raw Score ENY
P-40B           0.2141 -2.69 5
Spitfire Mk I   0.2403 -2.03 5
Hurricane Mk I 0.4292 2.67 5
Bf 109E-4       0.4317 2.73 5
C.202           0.5228 5.00 5
Hurricane Mk II 0.5587 5.90 5
A6M2           0.5930 6.75 5
Bf 110C-4b     0.6791 8.90 10
Spitfire Mk V   0.6909 9.19 10
F4U-1D         0.7209 9.94 10
P-40E           0.7804 11.42 10
Fw 190F-8       0.7810 11.44 10
Bf 110G-2       0.7815 11.45 10
P-38L           0.8062 12.06 10
F6F-5           0.8077 12.10 10
SeaFire         0.8251 12.54 15
P-47N           0.8399 12.90 15
P-51B           0.8415 12.94 15
F4F-4           0.8514 13.19 15
P-47-D40       0.8915 14.19 15
Mosquito Mk VI 0.9286 15.11 15
Yak-9T         0.9306 15.16 15
Spitfire Mk VII 0.9414 15.43 15
Bf 109G-6       0.9490 15.62 15
A6M5b           0.9928 16.71 15
La-5FN         1.0325 17.70 20
C.205           1.0329 17.71 20
F4U-1           1.0514 18.17 20
P-51D           1.0696 18.63 20
Yak-9U         1.0776 18.83 20
FM2             1.1015 19.42 20
Bf 109G-2       1.1108 19.65 20
Spitfire Mk XVI 1.1221 19.94 20
Spitfire Mk IX 1.1353 20.26 20
Bf 109G-14     1.1551 20.76 20
P-38G           1.2036 21.97 20
N1K2           1.2151 22.25 20
Ta 152H         1.2346 22.74 25
La-7           1.2383 22.83 25
Ki-61           1.2413 22.90 25
P-38J           1.2650 23.50 25
Bf 109F-4       1.2963 24.28 25
Spitfire Mk XIV 1.3412 25.39 25
F4U-1A         1.3470 25.54 25
Fw 190A-8       1.3709 26.13 25
Bf 109K-4       1.3989 26.83 25
P-47-D25       1.4149 27.23 25
Ki-84-Ia       1.4321 27.66 30
Fw 190D-9       1.4494 28.09 30
P-47-D11       1.4777 28.79 30
Fw 190A-5       1.5367 30.26 30
Hurricane Mk II 1.5885 31.56 30
Typhoon IB     1.5909 31.61 30
F4U-4           2.4818 53.81 40
F4U-1C         2.6424 57.81 40
Me 163B         5.3633 125.60 40
Me 262         5.9691 140.69 40
Tempest         6.8557 162.78 40

The biggest surprise for me was where the F4U-1 would fall in a purely mathematical ranking based on K/D.  I can't do anything but die in her.

[Anyone]

Originally posted by Gianlupo
Don't forget that relative MAs usage and the level of rant and complaints by players in game and BBS have a huge weight in the final result... that's why the Hurri IIC went from 40 to 10!

problem is, the Hurri IIC was a great GV killer 2-3 years ago, i often remember landing 6-8 kill sorties in the Hurri..... 20mms kiled all tanks and the bombs did too.

with 6 kills in a Hurri IIc and a 40 ENY it earned ALOT OF PERKS, plus everyone else flew it.

so it got reduced to 20ENY i think, then down to 10 like now. due to trying to stop its overuseage in the arena.


however it isnt that deadly to GV's now so i dont know why its 10 anymore.

[Ghastly]

Whoops, here's the ENY Table with the ENY in the proper direction, and with the last few characters of the aircraft name intact so that you can tell which Hurri is which....

Fighters             K/D Raw Score ENY
Tempest             6.8557 162.78 5
Me 262               5.9691 140.69 5
Me 163B             5.3633 125.60 5
F4U-1C               2.6424 57.81 5
F4U-4               2.4818 53.81 5
Typhoon IB           1.5909 31.61 15
Hurricane Mk IIC     1.5885 31.56 15
Fw 190A-5           1.5367 30.26 15
P-47-D11             1.4777 28.79 15
Fw 190D-9           1.4494 28.09 15
Ki-84-Ia             1.4321 27.66 15
P-47-D25             1.4149 27.23 20
Bf 109K-4           1.3989 26.83 20
Fw 190A-8           1.3709 26.13 20
F4U-1A               1.3470 25.54 20
Spitfire Mk XIV     1.3412 25.39 20
Bf 109F-4           1.2963 24.28 20
P-38J               1.2650 23.50 20
Ki-61               1.2413 22.90 20
La-7                 1.2383 22.83 20
Ta 152H             1.2346 22.74 20
N1K2                 1.2151 22.25 25
P-38G               1.2036 21.97 25
Bf 109G-14           1.1551 20.76 25
Spitfire Mk IX       1.1353 20.26 25
Spitfire Mk XVI     1.1221 19.94 25
Bf 109G-2           1.1108 19.65 25
FM2                 1.1015 19.42 25
Yak-9U               1.0776 18.83 25
P-51D               1.0696 18.63 25
F4U-1               1.0514 18.17 25
C.205               1.0329 17.71 25
La-5FN               1.0325 17.70 25
A6M5b               0.9928 16.71 30
Bf 109G-6           0.9490 15.62 30
Spitfire Mk VIII     0.9414 15.43 30
Yak-9T               0.9306 15.16 30
Mosquito Mk VI       0.9286 15.11 30
P-47-D40             0.8915 14.19 30
F4F-4               0.8514 13.19 30
P-51B               0.8415 12.94 30
P-47N               0.8399 12.90 30
SeaFire             0.8251 12.54 30
F6F-5               0.8077 12.10 35
P-38L               0.8062 12.06 35
Bf 110G-2           0.7815 11.45 35
Fw 190F-8           0.7810 11.44 35
P-40E               0.7804 11.42 35
F4U-1D               0.7209 9.94 35
Spitfire Mk V       0.6909 9.19 35
Bf 110C-4b           0.6791 8.90 35
A6M2                 0.5930 6.75 40
Hurricane Mk IID     0.5587 5.90 40
C.202               0.5228 5.00 40
Bf 109E-4           0.4317 2.73 40
Hurricane Mk I       0.4292 2.67 40
Spitfire Mk I       0.2403 -2.03 40
P-40B               0.2141 -2.69 40

 

[Lusche]

Originally posted by Anyone

however it isnt that deadly to GV's now so i dont know why its 10 anymore.

Because it's dangerous to planes as well. Turns on a dime, but has 4 hispanos. A deadly combination for furballs and in base defense. HurriIIC has one of the best K/D ratios in game

[Lusche]

Originally posted by Ghastly
Whoops, here's the ENY Table with the ENY in the proper direction, and with the last few characters of the aircraft name intact so that you can tell which Hurri is which....

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LA7 has ENY 20 in that list... I don't think that this is desireable, nor is it justified in regards to that plane performance.

You see even a list compiled on K/D has it's flaws.

[Ghastly]

Yes.

In part, it's because the capabilities of the aircraft tend to be distorted by the capabilities of the players who choose it.

The LA-7 and the KI-61 both have virtually identical K/D ratios.  

(IMO)
One is because it's a popular ride for average pilots.  The other is because the people who fly it tend to be either affecianados of the aircraft, or those looking for a challenge, and either way, are on average "a cut above".  

Or in other words, it's it's the pilot and not just the plane!