Author Topic: Can Someone Explain Current ENY Rankings? (Read 1223 times)

Seagoon · « **on:** May 24, 2007, 11:28:52 AM »

Hi Guys,

The following is not a complaint, but rather a humble request for an explanation. I'll admit I really don't understand some of the ENY ranks in the late war arenas. For instance:

F4F-4 has an ENY of 20(!) which is the same, not only as the much better FM2 variant of the plane, but much better late war aircraft such as the BF-109K4 & P-38L. Additionally this is the same rank as the SPIT IX. How does an MG armed fighter from 1941, barely capable of speeds above 300MPH rank with cannon armed 400 MPH+ pocket-rockets from 1944?

Other questions like why the so-slow and burns like balsa wood and rice paper Zero is ranked the same as the speedy brick outhouse P-47 D-40, why the Seafire is ranked 15 and the Spit IX is ranked 20. Why so many better variants (109s and 38s for instance) are ranked the same as their preceding variants, and so on. Not to mention the Hurri 2Cs newly found status as the equivalent of the Spit 8 with a 10! I can still remember when that plane used to be a 40 - what caused such a Meteoric rise?

Any help you can give would be appreciated.

- SEAGOON

Ghastly · « **Reply #1 on:** May 24, 2007, 11:42:38 AM »

Have you ever read up on cryptography?

In the '40's, the most common way to ceate cryptographic keys was to generate them by having a middle-aged housewife pull bingo-balls out of a wire cage.

In honor of this reminder of a bygone era, I believe HTC has resurrected this lost art, and now uses it to apply the ENY numbers to various aircraft in the various arena's.

Any other explanation invites the contemplation of madness.

The Fugitive · « **Reply #2 on:** May 24, 2007, 11:44:05 AM »

this has been asked only a couple hundred times.

About the only answer you will get is "its the way it is because thats the way it is" Not a great answer, but nobodies ever explained it any better. I wish you luck in your quest for a better answer.

AWwrgwy · « **Reply #3 on:** May 24, 2007, 12:10:18 PM »

Based purely on conjecture and speculation, I would guess you take a planes relative strengths and weaknesses and rank them based on various criteria such as speed, maneuverability, ammo loads, lethality, etc.
Average them all out and compared to other plane's values you would calculate a rank, or ENY value.

A Hurri 2 turns good, has killer cannons, and is a dweeb ride

therefore it gets a low number.

Get creative and try and figure each plane's pluses and minuses compared to others and try ranking them yourself.

wrngway

Lusche · « **Reply #4 on:** May 24, 2007, 12:14:11 PM »

One problem is: You can't always objectively express a planes strength as a single stat like ENY. How to weight the individual factors. Is speed more important than turning abiltity? If yes, how much?

(On a side note: I think the low ENY of HurriIIC is reasonable. If there is any "easy mode" plane, the C Hurri is)

Gianlupo · « **Reply #5 on:** May 24, 2007, 12:16:29 PM »

Don't forget that relative MAs usage and the level of rant and complaints by players in game and BBS have a huge weight in the final result... that's why the Hurri IIC went from 40 to 10!

jhookt · « **Reply #6 on:** May 24, 2007, 12:23:25 PM »

i dont think they base ENY entirely on speed. for instace the F4F-1 has a 6 gun package and the FM2 only has 4. so while the FM2 is faster the F4F has a higher lethality. and in all other catagories the 2 are comparable according to DokGonzo's site, which i dont know if it is still relevant but its all the info i have to go by.

http://www.gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php

i think Gianlupo is partly right also in that performance is not the only deciding factor of a planes ENY, and he brings up an excellent example with the hurri.

DarkS1ar · « **Reply #7 on:** May 24, 2007, 12:25:22 PM »

I think the la7 sould be ENY 20

all the Newbie are in them hence easy to kill.

Gianlupo · « **Reply #8 on:** May 24, 2007, 12:25:23 PM »

Yep, jokes aside, I think that performance is not the only parameter to calculate ENY rating.

Blooz · « **Reply #9 on:** May 24, 2007, 12:38:29 PM »

My guesses are that either the ENY factors got accidently scrambled when the different arenas appeared and they're too busy to straighten it out yet or the ENY factors are skewed for a reason.

The purpose may be to force certain planes to become unavailable as the arenas ENY penalty thing kicks in.

Why that would be I'm not sure but allowing the F4U-1 (40) and excluding the F4F4 (25) would allow an obviously more powerful plane to be available if the ENY limiter kicked in.

Squire · « **Reply #10 on:** May 24, 2007, 12:56:56 PM »

"My guesses are that either the ENY factors got accidently scrambled when the different arenas appeared"

Didn't Einstein have a formula explaining such phenomena? it escapes me just at the moment.

Gianlupo · « **Reply #11 on:** May 24, 2007, 01:02:15 PM »

Eny=MC²

Where M is the weighted value of the plane impact on the various MAs, C is the value of rant and whinings, that is squared in the equation, being more important in determining the final Eny value.

1K3 · « **Reply #12 on:** May 24, 2007, 01:09:45 PM »

If i remember...

The more people use the planes such as Hurri 2c, it gets lower ENY (10)

Unpopular german rides such as the 190A-8/F-8 and 109G-6 gets higher ENY

Squire · « **Reply #13 on:** May 24, 2007, 01:54:56 PM »

So?

A1=Eny=MC2 Enym-Enym2
_________ x __________ = MEWq

A2=Eny=MC2 H(E)

I think that works for multiple arenas.

hubsonfire · « **Reply #14 on:** May 24, 2007, 01:58:27 PM »

Can't use ENY as a search criteria, but IIRC, planes that saw heavy usage despite high ENY numbers were adjusted. The most popular planes typically have lower ENY, regardless of some of the past factors in determining a plane's value.

So yeah, basically it's the way it is because HT made it that way. I think initially performance, payload, range, etc were factored in, and that only more recently has use become a primary factor in determining the values.