Mr. President, why is [Osama bin Laden] still at large?

[storch]

they sell rolling papers and beer yaknow

[AKIron]

Why is obl still alive? I think it's because the benefit gained through our relationship with the relatively moderate government of Pakistan is worth more than the civil war we would spark there if we went in to get him as we tried to do in Afghanistan.

[midnight Target]

Worst ever.. no doubt.

He's The Worst Ever

[AKIron]

It will be pretty hard for anyone to ever replace Clinton, the man who sold us out to China, as the worst president ever.

[FrodeMk3]

Origanally posted by AKIron

It will be pretty hard for anyone to ever replace Clinton, the man who sold us out to China, as the worst president ever.

You forgot that he scandalized the highest office in the Nation, and He also allowed that POS NAFTA to be signed in.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by FrodeMk3
Origanally posted by AKIron
 


You forgot that he scandalized the highest office in the Nation, and He also allowed that POS NAFTA to be signed in.

There are a whole lotta things I coulda listed but nothing compares with selling our secrets for campaign money to a country we may well face at the opposite end of a rifle barrel in the not too distant future. When millions of Americans die because of the technology Clinton sold to China he won't be remembered so fondly by anyone.

[Seagoon]

Hi RPM,

Originally posted by rpm
Worst


President


EVER.

Come now RPM, surely you're a better student of history than this.

The 19th century had its Presidential rogues gallery of alcoholics and buffoons running hopelessly corrupt administrations. Grant for instance, was so useless as a President that not only did his administration spawn several major cabinet level scandals, he also presided over a major economic depression and managed to actually cause the "they'll never get elected again" Democrats to return to power. If "worst President ever" status is accorded for running a war poorly, totally failing to bring it to a successful conclusion and spending like a drunken sailor, then surely LBJ far outstripped Bush (and he only did it in one term as elected president). In fact we are still suffering socially and economically from the ongoing fallout of his "Great Society" and "war on poverty" programs.

Those are just two examples that spring immediately to mind, but many more could be harvested from American history.

- SEAGOON

[rpm]

Hi Seagoon, great fight in the MA the other night . Now on to the subject at hand...

Yes, there have been other presidents that sucked. But they sucked in different areas. Johnson sucked at trying to micromanage Viet Nam. Hoover sucked at the economy. Carter sucked at freeing the hostages. Clinton sucked at getting sucked.

But Bush is an all encompasing ball of suck. He's spent our grandchildren into the poorhouse. He blew the universal goodwill the US had after 9/11. He's got over 150 graduates of Pat Robertson's law school working senior positions in the administration. (Yes, Pat has a Law School, Regent University.) The man even has difficulty mastering the english language. It's an overwhelming amount of omnidirectional incompetency. I saw it long before he was elected.

It's not his party affiliation, it's his performance and it's consequences.

Odd that people have clung to the last 3 words of my post and not the first 10. As an American, I felt they were much more important.

[lasersailor184]

I always find it amazing how much people claim to know about economics and the fact that most of them have never taken an economics class.

Well, amazing / funny.

[john9001]

Originally posted by rpm

. He's spent our grandchildren into the poorhouse.  

the president has to ask congress for the money, congress must sign the check.

[rpm]

Originally posted by john9001
the president has to ask congress for the money, congress must sign the check.

Or they don't support the troops...

[storch]

Originally posted by midnight Target
Worst ever.. no doubt.

He's The Worst Ever

the worst ever was FDR

[crockett]

Originally posted by ROC
Let's see, worst president ever.  Ok, I'll bite.  Can't find 1 guy hiding in the sand out in a very large swath of land, yet devastated their ability to cause more damage to Anything in the US.  Bad Bad Bushy.

Had him handed to us on a silver platter and some other president let him off the hook..a few years back...

Ya, I can see the problem here.



I'm buying stock in CNN.  Clearly they have tapped into a market where soundbites are all the rage.

We devastated them? Last time I checked Al Qaeda was bigger than ever since we invaded Iraq. The sad part is Bush has pretty much made bin Laden a living mardar.

Al Qaeda is now bigger than bin Ladden thanks to Bush's 'F" up in Iraq and Afghanstan. Al Qaeda no longer needs a a front man like bin Ladden simple because now it is a symbol of a "movment"  for it's supporters.

You think they can't attack us? How hard do you honestly think it is for them to attack us? When they attack the US in our country it's not about blowing up a building or killing people. It's showing us that they can, it's symbolism to to them.

They aren't going to waste their time hitting some little easy target in this country, which is why they spend years planning their attacks. We haven't done anything to curb their ability to attack us in this country. They haven't attacked us again because they arent' ready. That's a big diffrence from not being able to.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by crockett
We haven't done anything to curb their ability to attack us in this country.  

Horse biscuits. We have ripped their infrastucture a new one. We have tore up and interupted supply lines, but most of all we have played ole Billy Hell with their easy as pie funding sources.
No, there is not "a written in stone" guarantee that they can`t and will not attack us again. As a matter of fact, I`m sure they will in some form or the other.
If what has been done, hadn`t been done, 9/11 would look like a Sunday walk in the park by now. It would be look who`s coming to dinner on a regular basis.
It`s a little difficult to organize when you are scattered like dice on a Vegas crap table and hiding under rocks.
It`s not instant and it will never be over.

[crockett]

Originally posted by Jackal1
Horse biscuits. We have ripped their infrastucture a new one. We have tore up and interupted supply lines, but most of all we have played ole Billy Hell with their easy as pie funding sources.
No, there is not "a written in stone" guarantee that they can`t and will not attack us again. As a matter of fact, I`m sure they will in some form or the other.
If what has been done, hadn`t been done, 9/11 would look like a Sunday walk in the park by now. It would be look who`s coming to dinner on a regular basis.
It`s a little difficult to organize when you are scattered like dice on a Vegas crap table and hiding under rocks.
It`s not instant and it will never be over.

You can say what ever you want, but there is nothing like the head on a stick. The fact that he has never been caught gives him all the power in the world. He has become a living mardar for his cause and as I posted before Al-Qaeda no longer needs a front man like him.

It's now a cause for them to fight for.. It's no longer run by a single head but has split into many many different groups around the world. We have done nothing but make the problem worse.

If you look at the history of their attacks against US targets, it's typically in the 7 years between attacks. So we are getting close to their typical time line but that doesn't mean an attack in immanent.

Bin Laden will not attack the US again unless he can trump what he did on 9/11 which would mean a major attack. They can't attack us often enough with small attacks to make it worth while so it's all about symbolism to them. They will attack when the time is right because Al-Qaeda is not going away.

Bin Laden was recently reported to have died according to leaked reports from the Pakistan govt due to his poor health. Of course that probably the 10th time his death was supposed to have happened.

Al-Qaeda or terrorist groups in general, are  growing like mad in Africa and Asia the only place where we are engaging them are in the middle east. We haven't even gotten rid of the Taliban much less Al-Qaeda, but believe what you like.

Besides that Al-Qaeda and co are doing exactly what they wanted to do to this country. They are going to bring us to our knees by making us waste so much money on the wars that it forces us to leave. Just like they did to the good olé USSR in Afghanistan.