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Offline tommygun

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« on: May 25, 2007, 10:40:40 AM »
Last night I came upon a plane on the six of a bogey but not firing or getting in range. He was close though. I had alt and I knew I could get the speed to catch the bogey.
I dove and passed my country's plane and fired and I got hits on the bogey. My fellow countryman came on the radio and said "we are shooting at the same plane" I apologized and bugged out.
Did I do something wrong?
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Offline Platano

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« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2007, 10:44:08 AM »
Yes...ya were gangbanging...:p

Or maybe he said it because there were other enemies in the area and it is not tactically smart to engage the same plane while other enemies are around....
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« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2007, 11:10:17 AM »
It's always polite to ask before you engage in an obvious 1 v 1 unless your countryman is obviously in trouble.

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Offline tommygun

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« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2007, 11:23:13 AM »
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It's always polite to ask before you engage in an obvious 1 v 1 unless your countryman is obviously in trouble.

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Offline tommygun

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« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2007, 11:23:54 AM »
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Thank you. I am addicted and want to get it right.
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Offline dedalos

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« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2007, 11:50:20 AM »
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Thank you. I am addicted and want to get it right.


Actually, you just got a very valuable lesson on the mentality of the AH players.  As Hammer said, it is only proper to cherry pick when your country man is in troble.  Not when he thinks he will win fight.

In other words, everyone loves a 1 vs 1 when they have the upper hand or think they are winning.  10 seconds later you make get the call on radio to please come in and help lol.

I say, leave the 1 vs 1 alone no matter what the situation.
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« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2007, 12:05:14 PM »
Wait around long enough for one of them to kill the other, then engage. ;)
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« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2007, 12:12:38 PM »
Knowing when to drop in on a con someone else is working over can be a bit hit or miss.

If I've got altitude and I see a con running out and no one closer than 800 yds and losing ground, I WILL dive in because I'm the only one capable of getting into guns range. Even if I can't get the kill because the target breaks, that may still allow them to close in and finish him off.

If I see a friendly being trailed, I WILL move in if I have position regardless of what the other guy says. Case in point the other night  a friendly was making a shallow climb out of a furball, with an N1K coming up under him. The friendly was Check 6ed by another pilot, and he was waved off by the friendly trailing the N1K saying he knew it and was going to reverse. However, as I was already in a position to drop and circle in behind the con I did so. Before I was in guns range the target broke and the friendly he was pursuing came around over the top. I held back to give him the shot, but continued to follow the N1K. The reversing friendly was shooting from relatively high-deflection and missed. The friendly repeated he had the con, however I already had a guns solution (full plane, right on his wingroot) so took my shot and advised him I was doing so and took out the Nikki. As I said above, no negative words were exchanged, but even though the friendly "claimed" while still alting out I had the better position throughout, so took my shot when the friendly missed his. Probably the better strategy would have been for him to simply rope the other con as I could have more quickly shot him off.

If another friendly is working over a con but I've got the better angle, I'll take the shot. I try to let him know I am, but sometimes that slips through. Usually, if you've got the better shot at a target the other guy will let you take it if you let him know. Sometimes, though, you only have a narrow opening so have to take it when it comes up. I still try to let the guy know why I took the kill afterwards (usually an honest "Sorry for the steal, but he gave me too good of an angle" is sufficient. Most guys will understand).

What I try to avoid is conga line of guys all trying to jump out in front of each other to get the shot first, or spraying wildly to put more bullets in first.
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Offline tommygun

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« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2007, 12:20:15 PM »
I did watch from overhead and the friendly was not closing. He was closer than 800.
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Offline Spazzter

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« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2007, 12:31:24 PM »
Tommy,

Usually in that situation it is best to let the friendly know that you can force the con to break and that you are coming through so as to avoid the possibility of a killshooter.  Once the con breaks it is usually over quickly as one of you will finish them without much of a problem.  

Typically, when I see a friendly engaged with a con I ask if they are alright over range and stay above the fight in case your countryman gets spanked, then you can swoop in on a low and slow con to get an easy kill.

However, I do advise this, if you have an opportunity for a kill when you see the horde coming take the shot and end it quickly.  The longer you spend tangling with one bogie the more likely you are to be jumped by it's friends.  

Best of Luck

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« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2007, 12:53:57 PM »
After months of playing AH, I'm finally getting the hang of remembering that I have range radio.

Nothing sucks worse than giving up 5 minutes of alt in 15 seconds to help someone who doesn't need it to begin with and is p***ed at you for jumping in.  And it' can be difficult to tell in a one v one who's actually winning - especially in the mind of your countryman who may or may not want your "help".

Now that I'm getting better at AH, I usually ask on range if the guy needs help before jumping in.

Save me the alt, and him the aggravation.   And if he's wrong, then I determine whether to kill the bandit or not based upon the threat level.

In a furball though, every red icon is fair game.

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« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2007, 01:08:12 PM »
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I apologized and bugged out.
Did I do something wrong?


Yes, you apologized.
No more of that touchy feely stuff please.









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Offline Blooz

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« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2007, 01:16:41 PM »
If you ever see me engaged with an enemy and you have the ability to kill him faster...KILL HIM!

It's far more important to save time than being worried about who's going to get the kill.
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« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2007, 01:23:11 PM »
Kill Stealing is an art form!  There is nothing better than listening to the whines after you steal someones kill after they took too long killing it...  :t
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« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2007, 01:23:51 PM »
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And the lesons continue.  As you can see, we don't care about the fight at all.  What we care about is pressing thriger, going pew pew pew pew pew in our heads, and waiting for the boom.  We do however do that while pretending we are real pilits talking on a real radio and using the excuse of tactics, better position, stratigery etc.

Leson on how a guy dives in an HOes the plane you are shooting from D200 should be coming soon :D
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