A brief history of squads and their rides

[FiLtH]

I was looking back through the logs to see how the distribution of rides have been over the past 18 frames. I wanted to see if squads are getting their share of the gravy as well as the bomber details.

  Nothing personel here against the following squads, but a note to future CiCs that when it comes time to assigning rides, keep in mind the following are due some bombing runs.
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  348th - The past 14 frames over the span of 6 FSOs has been in a fighter
               every frame.
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  880 Sqd- Has been in a fighter 17 frames in a row. The last bomber duty was in November of 2006.
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  65th FG - Has been in a fighter for the past 16 frames in a row    
                  as a fighter. Last bomber duty 17 frames ago.
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  56th FG- Has been in a fighter 15 frames in a row, last bomber duty 16
                 frames ago.
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  UNFORGIVEN- Over the past 18 frames it has been a fighter, with one mixed frame of fighters and bombers in between.
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  C-Hawks- Over the past 17 frames it has been a fighter with 2 mixed frames of fighter and bombers.
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  CiCs please take the time before assigning rides to see what squads under your command flew the previous frame, to break up the bomber duty.
Also, just because a squad is large, please dont automatically dump them into bombers each time.

 Again, no offense to the squads listed, I just want us all to have to pull bomber duty a little more often than what has happened in the past 1/2 year.

[AKKaz]

What is the standard on assigning sides during the FSO?  I understand that you may or not get the side you request due to the number of request and number of people involved.  But would those that received their side of request last FSO fall behind those that did not receive their requested side last time during the next FSO assignment?

This will be the third FSO in a row that we did not receive the side of request.  Which would be fine (and not a gripe), but just want to be sure that requests are fairly distributed.

[APDrone]

Originally posted by AKKaz
What is the standard on assigning sides during the FSO?  I understand that you may or not get the side you request due to the number of request and number of people involved.  But would those that received their side of request last FSO fall behind those that did not receive their requested side last time during the next FSO assignment?

This will be the third FSO in a row that we did not receive the side of request.  Which would be fine (and not a gripe), but just want to be sure that requests are fairly distributed.

The woefully simple answer is Admin CM Error, Kazz.  And I've made plenty for this run, for sure!

Since I haven't sent out the objectives for frame 1, I have moved you to Axis as you requested.  I just flat missed that in the request page.

This will move The Bad Guys back to Allied, but it gets the Axis back closer to 40%.  Seems to be the right thing to do.  Sorry for the confusion.

[RSLQK186]

Not disputing the figures. Did a search once as CiC when we had problems getting good turnouts for German rides. Not hard to do. Wasn't going to waste the premium rides to those that duck duty.
 
Fortunatly enough squads have a health respect for Axis rides that it doesn't seem to be so much of an issue these days(knocks on wood).

But it does SEEMS like I was a sitting duck in a TBM not long ago. I guess shear terror sticks with you longer than my usual fly and try while everyone else gets a kill. LOL

[daddog]

Thanks for doing that Drone. Squads should never have their "unrequested" side 3 times in a row.

Interesting post Filth.  In the past when I have been a Frame C.O. I tended to try to give the guys/squads what they wanted. Those that did not respond or did not care I always put in the bombers or fighter bombers. That would make my style of command part of the problem. If what we see above is a problem.

Part of the numbers you posted could be due to the fact that those squads are up and on top of what they want. For example if a Frame C.O. e-mails his squads maybe those guys above are johnny on the spot requesting the fighters. Anyway, just a thought.

Did you come across any squads that were in bombers most or all of the time in the past 15 or so frames?

[FiLtH]

Neg..I started with Pinsalamanders, and saw how many squads were in fighters for frame 3. Then went backward, eliminately squads that pulled a few buff details. I'll go take a peek now.

[doobs]

if nobody is griping then I don't see a problem, alot of the small squads don't get assigned buffs due to there numbers.


and who let the friggin mongrels in, there goes the neighborhood

[daddog]

See ya Friday Doobs.

[doobs]

not if I see you first and you sondog too, muhahahahahahaha

[Kurt]

For the record, Clowns are always happy to pull Bomber duty.

Don't take this as license to bury us in bomber missions, we like fighters too... Point being, we don't feel especially strongly about either mission type.  We like either one just fine.

[FiLtH]

Doobs I guess Im griping. More squads need to do more bombing than they are doing. As it is now many have come to FSOs each frame pretty much knowing they are gonna get a fighter ride, not a squad split 1/2 fighter, 1/2 bomber, but pure fighter. The rest of us regularly get split 1/2 and 1/2, or we end up in something like B5Ns. What Im asking for is a little more involvement by those squads in the bombing end from time to time like the rest of us.

  As far as no one griping, many squads are quite happy and have nothing to gripe about. They are fighters most of the time. Which amounts to about 1/4 of the FSO squads over the past 16-18 weeks. That means the remaining 3/4 have been rotating the duty.

   When I was CiC about a year ago I saw the trend of small 1-4, 4-8 person squads rarely if ever in bombers. It seemed the way around getting tagged for it. So what I did was take all these small squads and put them in as my bomber force. I wasnt surprised to see on frameday that 3/4s of the guys of those squads who regularly attend when in fighters, were absent for that frame they were selected to fly bombers.

  When something irks me enough, I'll make a hobby out of it.

[Shifty]

Originally posted by FiLtH
  When I was CiC about a year ago I saw the trend of small 1-4, 4-8 person squads rarely if ever in bombers. It seemed the way around getting tagged for it. So what I did was take all these small squads and put them in as my bomber force. I wasnt surprised to see on frameday that 3/4s of the guys of those squads who regularly attend when in fighters, were absent for that frame they were selected to fly bombers.

  When something irks me enough, I'll make a hobby out of it.

I don't recall 880 Sqn ever shirking bombing duty. If we don't request it, that's our buisiness. If you do, that's your business. If we're assigned it, we'll fly it, no complaints, but we are going to request the rides we want.
We don't fly them in the MA, so we don't volunteer for them in the SEA, one reason is we're not profeceint in them, the other, it's just not where our intrest lie.

Our squadron size has never been used as an excuse, or a tool to get out of bombing. The thought of dodging flying buffs never enters our minds.

 Since you are the self appointed ride police maybe you should do a little more research into why people are not assigned buffs. Get with the CM's who make side assignments, ask squadrons if they would take buff duty for setups, instead of just throwing squadron names out on the BBS.

I don't know who the guys were that didn't show when you were CIC, or why they didn't show, but your lack of discretion in throwing out names and accusations makes me hope your not a CIC in the future. Thanks for bringing MA type whines and hand wringing to what has been the best part of AHII for me.

[Target2]

Shifty

FiLtH never accused anyone. He simply pointed out that some squads have done alot of fighter runs. He wasn't blaming the squads, in fact, he says that in the first post. It was meant as a suggestion for future CiC's.

[Kurt]

Well...

Filth, so much of the assignment does ride with the CIC, that its practically impossible to control anyhow, short of forcing the CM's to do that part too, which I think would be a tragic decision.

I know that when I CIC, I look back at the last 2 or 3 frames, I make notes about who has been in what... Then, I write down all of their requests...

Once I have that done, I find the squads that have not had their request recently and I give them priority for their requested ride.  After that is done, I assign the rest and if anyone is not going to get their request then I make sure that it is a squad that had their request last week, and if they have had their request a lot lately, then I am definitely going to bust the streak.

The last thing I do is assign squads that don't have a preference.  

Last time I was CIC I bumped into a squad (don't recall who) who I guess almost always gets fighters, they got dropped into bombers for the one frame and actually emailed me about it.  It kinda ticked me off frankly, a squad that hasn't been in a bomber in like 10 frames complaining that they got assigned bombers...  They did fly them though, they showed up with good numbers, so in the end it was no hard feelings.  But honestly, that worried me a little.  Everyone needs to tow the line.

CiC's should take time to make the assignments fair.  Too often we see the CIC squad in the hot ride for the frame, that bugs me too.  Being CiC is not supposed to be a way to guarantee your own squad's requests.  I confused the guys in my squad last time when I had 12 262's available and assigned none to the Clowns.  I had to explain to my guys that no one in the squad had much experience with that tricky bird, and I felt they would be best utilized by others... Turned out it was a good call, the squads that did get them made very excellent use of them and every single one that launched came home in one piece.

But, at the end of the day, the CiC makes the call.  If you can't count on the CiC to take time to design a good plan, and take time to do the homework for the ride assignments, then the event will always suffer a little.

[Shifty]

Originally posted by Target2
Shifty

FiLtH never accused anyone. He simply pointed out that some squads have done alot of fighter runs. He wasn't blaming the squads, in fact, he says that in the first post. It was meant as a suggestion for future CiC's.

Sorry Target, his second post is nothing but an accusation. He just stuck his toe in the water the first post to check the temperature.

Like Doobs said if nobody is complaining why post this stuff at all? If there is a problem just PM the Squadron CO's for their assistance. He could have shown more class going that route, and probably gotten squads to volunteer for buff duty.