A new flaps damage model

[Gianlupo]

Hello!

I'd like that HTC change the flaps damage model. I don't know if this has been already asked in this forum, if so, please, forgive my laziness, I didn't do a search.

Right now, if one of your flaps is shot off the plane, the system consider it as it is "stuck" in the last position it was. This means that, if I got hit when I had 2 notches of flaps extracted and, say, my right flap is shot off, the game will consider it as stuck in position 2. Hence I can't retract my remaining flap without having the plane rolling (in this case, to the left).
It's really annoying, as it means that, every time you lose a flap when you've extracted them, the fight is spoiled, as you will have to fight your plane, not your enemy.

In such a situation, the most logical thing to do would be to retract flaps and keep fighting without using them. But, as said above, this "glitch" in the damage model will prevent you from doing so, spoiling your fight and flattening your chances of survival.

So, HiTech, is it possible to correct the flaps damage model, making it so that a missing flap is just that?

Thank you.

[clerick]

Seems logical that the flap could be stuck in the position it was in when hit.  Think of it this way, your flaps are out and the mechanism controlling them gets hit by enemy fire preventing them from operating in or out.

[Husky01]

If your look out your left wing and your left flap is gone there is no reason it should be *stuck* two notches down.

[Gianlupo]

Originally posted by clerick
Seems logical that the flap could be stuck in the position it was in when hit.  Think of it this way, your flaps are out and the mechanism controlling them gets hit by enemy fire preventing them from operating in or out.

Clerick, probably I didn't explain well what happens: as Husky said, the problem is that the game consider stuck a flap that has been teared apart from the plane and missing! That flap is not more on the plane and should have no effect at all on it. On contrary, right now the missing flap still have an effect, and this affects plane's maneuverability in an unrealistic manner. That's what I'd like to be changed.

[Serenity]

Like they said. If you can look out your window and the flap aint there, why does it still cause drag? If you can SEE the flap FALL OFF, theres nothing to cause drag.

[Larry]

Yes I would like it fixed. Even if you get out of the fight you eather have to use all the trim and fight your pane to keep it level. Or stay slow and keep you flaps down while heading back to base. In any case you're as good as dead if an enemy shows up.

[DaddyAck]

Yes, do something about the flaps please. I was RTB in my F4F the other day and was mising my flap and had to either keep my other flap down or trim the crud out of my bird and arm wrestle the stick to keep it close to level.

[Kweassa]

Having separate damage models for;

1) flap itself
2) flap actuation system

 .. would probably solve the problem.

[Bodhi]

In reality the flap would likely not be shot off, it would be stuck wherever it was, or simply lose its ability to stay in the full up, and quite literally flap in the slip stream.  I think the issue is one of rendering, make it stay visible.

[Gianlupo]

If that's the case, Bodhi, you're right, let's have it visible and stuck in its last position.

Indeed, we should have both these situations avalaible in the game, as Kweassa said: the flap torn apart and missing (and then it should have no more effect on the plane) and the flap stuck in his last position, due to damage at actuators (then, it should be visible, not missing)

However, the way things are right now, is unacceptable and need some fixing, IMO.

[clerick]

Originally posted by Kweassa
Having separate damage models for;

1) flap itself
2) flap actuation system

 .. would probably solve the problem.

This makes sense too me.

[Hazard69]

Actually Id like to see them model control surface jamming as well in addition to the flaps jam.  Also I would like them to fix the graphic anomally of the flap falling off. IRL its far more likely that a surface would jam up from damage (control runs snapped, leaking hydraulic lines, friction due to worn and twisted metal peices etc.) rather than be so neatly torn off. this would bring most fights to a rather neat and realistic end....quickly. No more of that flying with half a plane missing....
Also it would be possible to completely saw off a control surface, but that would be for multiple 20-30mm hits I guess.
Fliying with jammed/limited controls movement is far more tougher than with half a wing.....

[Krusty]

Originally posted by Gianlupo
However, the way things are right now, is unacceptable and need some fixing, IMO.

This has been true for many many years. Many have requested it, many times over.


HTC ignores us for some reason. They must like it the way it is.

[Gianlupo]

Who knows, maybe it's not feasible, maybe they have it on the to do list, for when CT will be done... I'd just like to hear something from HT, as he did in the other thread I started in this forum.

[folkwufe]

good idea