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Offline lazs2

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« Reply #30 on: May 30, 2007, 02:03:32 PM »
saying that they hate us for our freedom is simplistic but not inaccurate.

They hate us for the example we show and the alternative we show to extremely brutal and repressive islamofacism.

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« Reply #31 on: May 30, 2007, 02:58:43 PM »
BS.. they hate because we are there (ME).

Quit drinking the koolaid!

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« Reply #32 on: May 30, 2007, 03:02:41 PM »
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But IMHO we need to try to change how we're perceived, and that's something you can't "force", only "encourage".
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It would help alot if we started lowering our standard of living.  If we weakened (or destroyed) or economy by adhering to a punitive kyoto accord many would rejoice (pathetically, many americans would rejoice too).  If more of us started riding bicycles because we couldn't afford gas, those people in oil rich/people poor countries would sympathize with us.  If more of us died because we didnt have enough food to feed ourselves or medicine to heal ourselves, then the rest of the world would feel better about us.  If we got rid of our military and opened ourselves up to attack, much of the world would be happier.  We are hated by many because we are successfull.  We are hated by others because our way of life threatens their monopoly on religious ignorance.

Yes, lets make the rest of this rather pathetic world want us to be like them.


I hear simplistic terms like "they hate our freedom", but not one member of my wife's Iranian born & raised family has ever mentioned that. Its actually the opposite, they wanted to come here because of our freedoms.

Muslims don't care too much about international lines separating countries, they consider fellow Muslim like thinkers to be brothers regardless... for 1000s of years they have taken up arms and rallied to support each other.

They bring up issues like the US installing a puppet .gov in Iran, the Shah, then supporting his brutal secret police who made 1000s vanish, torturing 1000's of others. Then our support for Saddam attacking Iran which cost untold 1000s of Iranian lives, which included Saddam using "WMDs" (gas) with the help of US intelligence.

These aren't just Iranian issues, many Muslims see it as a "big picture", a very long history of failed US policy that's resulted in untold 100,000's if not millions Muslim deaths.

Americans simply can't relate IMO,  we have never had a foreign country come along and overthrow our .gov with "we know whats best for you people" arrogance, then turn a blind eye to blatant atrocities that followed. We don't know what its like to have a foreign country (the USA) support our neighbor in attacking us, on our soil, killing untold 1000's of our friends / relatives.

They have 50 years of reasons to hate on us.

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« Reply #33 on: May 30, 2007, 03:38:00 PM »
they hate because we are there (ME).
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Once the islamic caliphate is firmly entrenched in the ME you think thats where its going to end?  These islamozealots have a vision of the entire world under that islamic caliphate.  These religious freakazoids are just getting started.  This war has just begun.

And persians are a completely different breed of cat ;)
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« Reply #34 on: May 30, 2007, 03:39:26 PM »
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Persians are a different breed of cat ;)


Yup and they can be "fixed".

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« Reply #35 on: May 30, 2007, 03:47:34 PM »
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They have 50 years of reasons to hate on us.


more of a reason to handle them before they can cause us real harm..

screw iran
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« Reply #36 on: May 31, 2007, 08:54:32 AM »
xmarine... your wifes family is fundamentalist muslim islamofacists and they wanted to come here?

you are being silly...  the average muslim embraces the tennent of freedom of religion as outlined in the koran.

It is not the average muslim that hates the example western freedom represents...

It is the islamofacists who want to control their muslim population that hate us because of the freedom we allow.

It is simplistic in the extreme to say that "they" hate us because we are there..

You have to define who is "they" first.   There are good muslims who would be happy if we left.. happy for a while that is... "they" would hate the islamofacists as much or more.

the other "they".. the ones that count... the ones who will die in order to kill us... "they" will always see our freedom as a threat to the way they want the world to be.  

And that world is a brutal and intolerant world of nine centuries ago where every transgression is a death sentance.

A world where any joy or freedom or individualism is seen as an affront to allah punishable by death.

Do any of you appeasers really think you could live under fundamentalist muslim laws?    You all go on about the seperation of church and state but with the islamofacists there is none.

you can't come to any comprimise at all with em..  and it is because you want freedom... freedom of religion.. freedom in the bedroom or to drink or whatever.   You would be put to death before you got through the day.

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