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« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2007, 08:02:16 AM »
bsd and charon....the point is... who will you vote for when ron paul is not on the  ballot?

I say.. the actor or the mormon are the only choices.   I understand charons frustration and bsd's anger but...  it is disturbing to me to see charon say that it doesn't matter.. that osama bamma or billary will be no worse.

I think that both the actor and the mormon will take us away from big government trends a little and protect or second amendment rights.

I think... no...  I know  that both osama and billary will run toward socialism and destroy the second.  

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« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2007, 08:30:00 AM »
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bsd and charon....the point is... who will you vote for when ron paul is not on the  ballot?

If Ron Paul loses the GOP primary I guess I'll have to waste my vote on the Libertarian candidate.  RP's the only Rebublican I'm voting for, with the rest it'll just be "more of the same"...

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« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2007, 08:35:21 AM »
sorry bsd..   I can see your frustration but I am not gonna let the socialists have their way easily.. I will fight em to the end..  and that does not include throwing away my vote.  

Are you a gun owner?  do you smoke pot?  do you often need an abortion?  I guess we all have things that are important to us..  Life as a socialist would be life as an outlaw for me.   I don't want to be an outlaw... it was bad enough the first time.

But...  I want to build hot rods and houses and shoot guns and say what I want and keep as much of what I earn as I can.  

Allowing democrats to get into power without a fight is the same as giving up.

They thank you for it too.

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« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2007, 08:40:01 AM »
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sorry bsd..   I can see your frustration but I am not gonna let the socialists have their way easily.. I will fight em to the end..  and that does not include throwing away my vote.  

Are you a gun owner?  do you smoke pot?  do you often need an abortion?  I guess we all have things that are important to us..  Life as a socialist would be life as an outlaw for me.   I don't want to be an outlaw... it was bad enough the first time.

But...  I want to build hot rods and houses and shoot guns and say what I want and keep as much of what I earn as I can.  

Allowing democrats to get into power without a fight is the same as giving up.

They thank you for it too.

lazs

we've had this discussion before.  I'm done being played by the GOP.  Look at Thompsons backers and Romney's record, it would be more of the same B.S.  

Edit: Actually, Romney's record is more liberal...  He's no friend to the 2nd.  Thompson though, he'd be Bush III...
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« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2007, 08:56:14 AM »
so you would rather play the democrats socialist game... that will teach em.  

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« Reply #20 on: May 31, 2007, 09:25:16 AM »
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it is disturbing to me to see charon say that it doesn't matter.


It does matter. It matters that I have basically the BS choice from both parties. It matters that my Republican state senator and several others were the key to getting the magazine cap ban out of the Ill senate and to the house. One less Republican vote and it's stalled. Now it will likely become law -- We'll know today. If the only difference between my RINO and his democratic opponent is an R or D in the title, then maybe we need to cycle the Republicans until I find one that is different. Maybe that means their losing an election to teach them a lesson and let some new blood into the race. WTF did my Republican vote get me last election from this tool? I called before the vote to express my opinion, and after the vote to tell him I will work to see his opponent win and if he carries the primary I will work for his democratic opponent to get him out of office. It's the only language they know.

What matters is that voting for the lesser of two evils is what they expect. It's the main reason the party platforms are centered on hot button issues. They KNOW you will be too afraid for your guns or abortion rights or gay marriage or whatever to not vote for that issue alone, in many cases. They scare you into voting, and you cower in fear of what will happen if the other side wins. Well, long term the other side will win because they are far more similar than different on the issues I care about. I don't want to just delay the inevitable.

I see the senior leadership of both parties at the federal level and at the state heading in pretty much the same direction. Big government, guns for hunters and a subtle change in flavor every 4-8 years or so as they switch off control. The ONLY thing that will change that is to show them that we're not buying it. We want our ****ing government back. Even if that means a hillary or O'bama in the process. In fact, maybe we need to bottom out for 4-8 years under the Democratic utopia to fully wake people up to the fact that neither party cares about us.

Look at immigration. Neither party is all that concerned about what the majority of the public believes should be done because both see potential votes and business support (and $$$ for that policy). So, we get to pay the healthcare of these foreign workers while others enjoy the profits and votes as they do jobs Americans don't want to do for $5 per hour, like roofing or factory work.

As stated, I find a lot to dislike among so called conservatives who will sell out the 4th amendment as easily as the liberals will sell out the 2nd. So for me it's not a complete loss at all. I dislike conservative waste of my tax dollars as much as liberal waste. I am tired of being manipulated because of my fear and weakness. Now, I might be able to get behind Fred if he runs and IF he is real about his libertarian small government leanings. If the choice was Rudy or Hillary though, I vote neither. Rudy will piss on the 2nd and he has shown no respect for much of the rest of the BOR either. It's a non choice.

Charon
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« Reply #21 on: May 31, 2007, 09:43:29 AM »
lazs, you have your hot button issue (guns) and I have mine (the Constitition).  I will not vote for a candidate who'll $*&7 all over the Constitution just because he says he'll let me keep my guns.

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« Reply #22 on: May 31, 2007, 10:43:56 AM »
Given a choice you'd rather live to see the USC shat on without your guns, than with?

I'll be satisfied enough if Paul gets a ride as Vice-pres.
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« Reply #23 on: May 31, 2007, 11:23:58 AM »
Charon's right.

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« Reply #24 on: May 31, 2007, 11:58:36 AM »
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Thompson is closer to a true conservative than anyone in the race


I just read this same thing on Real Clear Politics.

Also, I was thinking about the core beliefs/principles of the Dems and Repubs.

They do change over time somewhat which is enevitable because things possible now were not in the past.

I recall a Coolidge quote, "The business of America is business" which seems to hold true for the Repubs to this day.

I don't have a handy six words for the Dems.  

It seems there are a few core issues either way.

In no particular order:

work and profits
war and peace
religion

Into those 3, all the political discussions I've seen here can fall.

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« Reply #25 on: May 31, 2007, 12:01:01 PM »
The U.S. had it's day in the sun. Sadly, socialists and leftist nutjobs will cause it to rot to death from within.  
Eventually we will have a scenario much like France only worse, a very large portion of the population awash with apathy and a sense of entitlement and a govt that is willing to support them, all the way to bankruptcy.  The first thing to collapse?  a tossup... healthcare or social security.

I think those who still possess the american spirit of self reliance should rebel against the govt, secede, carve out part of the country to call it's own then defend the borders with determination. This solution is a long way off but still possible.

 The infectious disease that is California is spreading unabated. Prepare for fiscal collapse, it will most likely happen in our lifetimes.

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« Reply #26 on: May 31, 2007, 12:02:37 PM »
An ACTOR as president?  Preposterous!
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« Reply #27 on: May 31, 2007, 12:20:55 PM »
I recall when Regan ran for gov of Calif.

Remember placards/posters on buildings asking for a real govenor and not an "acting" govenor with a picture of Regan all cowboy'd up with six-shooters from a movie promo still.

That wasn't that long ago.  Right?

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« Reply #28 on: May 31, 2007, 12:37:42 PM »
Then who's VICE-President? Jerry Lewis?  I suppose Jane Wyman is the First Lady!  And Jack Benny, the Secretary of the Treasury.
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« Reply #29 on: May 31, 2007, 12:46:43 PM »
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Then who's VICE-President? Jerry Lewis?  I suppose Jane Wyman is the First Lady!  And Jack Benny, the Secretary of the Treasury.



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