Me163 and Me 262, who can do it?

[Geary420]

Originally posted by Larry
Chuck who?
 

Bah, he wasn't even the first one, just the first one to do it in an AC  Now if I could only remember that crazy bastards name.

[folkwufe]

Originally posted by Larry
Chuck who?

any boom?

[CFYA]

Despite common knowledge Chuck Yeager was not the first to exceed mach 1. Hate to piss in your bean curd but he was bested the morning before his record attemp.

CFYA

[Bosco123]

FYI everybody
I was racing last night and we were fling the yak 9u after each race we were given about 3 minutes so, i went up to about 40 thousand feet and the engie died I belive that the air was so thin that it would not let me go any higher so I dived headed staright for the ground at abut 20 thousand feet i was at about 600 MPH i belive that 639 is mach and i had alot of feet to go so i broke it but the problem is that if put any elevator it borke. today i had enough points to buy the 163 so i took of and immedietly climed i gaied about 10 thousan in 30 seconds i was at about 45 thousand when the fuel told me it was at a 1/4 of a tank. so i dived again and i broke th sound barrier but this airplane could could handle the speed and i did a swoop and kill and got about one or two and went off again of couse i did not make it back to base and lost points. but you can reach mach w/ enough height with any airplane

[Benny Moore]

By whom and according to whom?

[Bosco123]

Originally posted by SirLoin
I believe the 163(had it had more fuel) could have broken the sound barrier in 1945...Claims to the 262 w bent wings doing this is pure bunk.

the 163 was capible. the problem was that when the pilots saw that the airplane started to shake and they decresed the throttle they should have increced the throttle and they would have broken it...... they were not smart enough....but they were

[Bosco123]

ask GGhost hell tell ya

[PanzerIV]

lol, 163 only had 3 throttle settings, on, off and messed up so the plane explodes. Its not that they decreased throttle, Germany was running out of materials strong enough for such stress so the plane would rip apart when it reached its critical mach number.
 Oh yeah, before Chuck Yeager broke the sound barrier, F86 test pilots broke it twice in a shallow dive. And, Chuck Yeager didnt break the sound barrier in level flight, he was in a climb.


And bosco, 640mph isnt near the sound barrier. At 20 000ft it is about 740mph
It is at its least at around 40 000ft, wich it will be at 660mph.
A Yak will tear to shreds before reaching Mach 1.0.
A plane would need swept wings to slow compression and be aerodynamically stable at Mach 1.0.
Me 163 is probably best for job on AH II.
Not to say a unswept wing plane cant brake sound barrier, if you look at Bell X-1 its wing dont look to swept.

[Bosco123]

accualy the 163 had 3 settings no throttle half and full because i have spoken to a 163 pilot in NJ and thats what he says and the real speed for mach 1 is 680 at any height bottom line

[Bosco123]

and well thqat is not what happend last night, i think we ahd the stall limiter off that is why i didnt rip into shreads

[Benny Moore]

Originally posted by Bosco123
accualy the 163 had 3 settings no throttle half and full because i have spoken to a 163 pilot in NJ and thats what he says and the real speed for mach 1 is 680 at any height bottom line

No offense, but that's a load.  The speed of sound changes with air density, which is in turn changed by altitude and temperature (and I'm sure I'm missing quite a few factors).  It's far from constant, and both the true and indicated speeds for Mach one fluctuate with variables.

[Bosco123]

but most of the time the speed is 680 it maby 680.5 or680.9 or 681 its only a guesstimate

[Benny Moore]

No, it's not.  It varies hugely based on how warm it is and how high it is.

Your knowledge of aerodynamics is as poor as your spelling.  I'm not an expert on the subject by any means, but I do know that you are also wrong when you claim that "any aircraft can exceed the speed of sound with enough height."  No matter how low the indicated airspeed is, if the shape of the airplane is not right, then travelling faster than the speed of sound will cause shockwaves that will break up the airplane ... or something like that.  The only exception would be in an airless environment, and not just "any airplane" can travel in that.

So please stop posting absolute bunk.  Next you'll be saying that indicated airspeed is always true.

[Benny Moore]

P.S.  If it makes you feel better, I made a fool out of myself on a very similar subject when I was new to this stuff.  I failed to know that indicated airspeed can be drastically different than true.  It is important to recognize when you don't know your subject matter well, and be quiet until you do.

[ForrestS]

Be nice benny