Me163 and Me 262, who can do it?

[PanzerIV]

I believe, at least on AH2, the Me 163 is capable of reaching the speed of sound(In a dive, ofcourse).
As i tried today, i reached about 50,000ft and went level, accelerated until it began shaking, then i trimmed the elevator so I was in a steep dive, at about 30,000ft I hit Mach 0.99, then I began to reach the denser air at lower altitudes and the mach number lowerd to about 0.92, I tried to get level and crashed:cry .
I think it is capable of hitting Mach 1.0.
 But will the game let me?

[SirLoin]

I believe the 163(had it had more fuel) could have broken the sound barrier in 1945...Claims to the 262 w bent wings doing this is pure bunk.

[PanzerIV]

Yeah, with more fuel, it could have gotten enough altitude                                 (11 000-20 000meters) where the speed of sound is at 660mph.
It could have dive through this altitude at that speed and broke the sound barrier.
Of course the plane would need to be structurally prepard for this, and the pilot would have to be wearing something to protect him form effect, the cockpit was unpressurized i think so it would need alot of fancy gizmos so it was fit to reach Mach 1.0.
 And the Luftwaffe was developping a Me263 wich could go faster and carried more fuel, surely this would have broken the sound barrier if the Me163 couldnt.

[Larry]

Chuck who?

[Benny Moore]

The aerodynamic shape of the Me-262 is unsuitable for supersonic fight.  The engines under the wings, if nothing else, would prevent it.  The shape of the Me-262 more closely resembles a modern airliner than a supersonic fighter.

[PanzerIV]

Woot, How did ya do that?

And I am not Talking about going Supersonic, im talking about going SONIC as in Mach 1.000
 But the Me 262 does look like an airliner.

[PanzerIV]

Oh yeah, Me 262 could brake sound barrier.
"The HG series of Me 262 derivatives was estimated to be capable of reaching transonic Mach numbers in level flight, with the top speed of the HG III being projected as Mach 0.96 at 6 km altitude. Despite the necessity to gain experience in high-speed flight for the HG II and III designs, Messerschmitt undertook no attempts to exceed the Mach 0.86 limit for the Me 262."

     "After Willy Messerschmitt's death, the former Me 262 pilot Hans Guido Mutke claimed to be the first person to break the sound barrier on 9 April 1945 in a Me 262, in a "straight-down" 90° dive. This claim is disputed because it is only based on Mutke's memory of the incident, which recalls effects that other Me 262 pilots have observed below the speed of sound and a high airspeed indicator reading, but no altitude reading, which would be required to determine the actual speed. Furthermore, the pitot tube used to measure airspeed in aircraft can give falsely elevated readings as the pressure builds up inside the tube at high speeds. Finally, the Me 262 wing had only a slight sweep incorporated for trim (center of gravity) reasons and likely would have suffered structural failure due to divergence at high trans-sonic speeds."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Me_262
That German guy is either a liar, some crazy bufoon or actually did it.

[Larry]

Get in one and take off. Cut down to about 25% and use auto angle go up untill your plane disappears. You could use the wind to help but you dont need to. once up there level and get some speed. Then jsut dive and watch the mach number go up. Most Iv ever got to was 1.39 then I get low enough for the air to slow me down.

[PanzerIV]

Ok, i was wondering if it will let you exceed Mach 0.99 on this game so i guess its confirmed.
yeah, if this game followed the rules of speed off sound then 11 000 through   20 000meters is the best spot for sonic flight.
I will try breaking it again later.

[PanzerIV]

Ok, I went out tryed the 25% throttel, got up to 50 000 ft and then dived at full throttle, i hit mach 1.00 then slowed down, during that i heard a weird sloosh and saw a silvery thing near my plane, thought it was the misty stuff from when you go mach 1.0 , no, it was my skid ripping off and flying away.
 I landed relatively safely though.

[hubsonfire]

Originally posted by Larry
Chuck who?

[Larry]

Even better. I cheated this time uped from a 20K base set wind all the way up. When my plane disappeared  (which is at 78.5K) I kept climbing and went to make a drink. When I got back I had to be atleast 90-100K I leveled out and waited. I hit mach one in level flight and kept on going. When I was about mach 1.5 I dove down and broke my record.I think this is about as fast as you can go. When I got to about 20k I pulled up and used all my trim, and broke my wings off (something Iv never done before).

Ill try again tomarrow I really want to go past mach 1.5.

[DFCOmust]

a 262 can do the mach 1.10

[ForrestS]

Ya ive broke the sound barrier in the Area51 Map. MUHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHH A:t

[Benny Moore]

Originally posted by PanzerIV
That German guy is either a liar, some crazy bufoon or actually did it.

P-38 Lightning pilots and P-47 pilots (and even a P-40 pilot) did the exact same thing.  The newspapers even said that a P-38 Lightning broke the "sound barrier."  Back then, they really thought they were.  Logically, one would assume he was going faster than the speed of sound, between A.S.I. readings and the strange effects.  It doesn't mean that they were lying or crazy (or that they were going faster than the speed of sound - they weren't).

I repeat, the Me-262 was aerodynamically incapable of it.  If nothing else, the engines would rip off, taking the wings with it.  More likely, the shockwaves would cause it to just break up all at once.