Author Topic: Dueling displeasures (Read 4698 times)

Shane · « **Reply #45 on:** June 04, 2007, 01:00:32 PM »

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Originally posted by Benny Moore
I have to agree with Skyrock. Not only does 100 feet not make a noticeable difference, but it's so small that it's almost certainly unintentional. And you did appear to have a significant energy advantage over him. My advice for you is, next time, try to set up a better merge, with both of you having equal energy , and then approaching the merge however you each see fit.

if bodhi had a significant e adv it means one of two tings, possibly both...

1. he climbed above teh alt out of icon range and dove down to merge alt with that hidden speed.

and/or

2. skyrock is a throttle-chopping merge weenie.

not that it matters, but the usual RoE for DA fights are:

1. determined alt cap, not to be exceeded until icon is acquired.

this means is say, 6k agl is agreed upon, one shouldn't go above that alt until icon is acquired. this prevents #1 from the above duel possibilities from happening, and it ensures that until icon is acquired, both have comparable e-states.

2. after icon is acquired, anything goes except... firing before the actual merge (planes pass).

now #2 means that when icon is acquired, you can climb, dive, turn, do whatever... most better pilot will try and get under the opponent for 2 reasons, first being that you'll generally have more speed, hence, e to do whatveer comes next, and secondly, going under allows you to more quickly reacquire the target in your rear up view and react accordingly.

now, bodhi has been around almost forever, i find this whole thread thoroughly amusing.

Bodhi · « **Reply #46 on:** June 04, 2007, 01:05:20 PM »

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Originally posted by SkyRock
Now if some of you BK's could fill Bodhi in on how duels are fought in the DA it might help the next person he goes in there with and save them the time and humiliation of being called a cheater on the BBS!
Thank you!

~~Mark~~

~~Duels are fought according to agreed upon rules. You agreed a cold merge at 15k, not above, or below. Those were the rules, and you broke them... make your own conclusions from there.~~

Benny Moore · « **Reply #47 on:** June 04, 2007, 01:05:24 PM »

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Originally posted by FX1
I think its time to open up the full plane set benny if you can get a couple good sticks in the room.

Yes, I will do that, but only for duels.

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Originally posted by Shane
if bodhi had a significant e adv it means one of two tings, possibly both...

1. he climbed above teh alt out of icon range and dove down to merge alt with that hidden speed.

and/or

2. skyrock is a throttle-chopping merge weenie.

Or Skyrock didn't have enough time to get all of his speed after the climb. Or Skyrock had to turn fairly hard in order to be facing Bohdi in time for the merge.

Bucky73 · « **Reply #48 on:** June 04, 2007, 01:06:26 PM »

Not on the list:(

Fine:furious

cheater:D

Yeager · « **Reply #49 on:** June 04, 2007, 01:06:47 PM »

when you merge you should be at equal altitude, not plus or minus 200 feet guys. Being at no advantage prior to merge is part of the challenge. Get with the program.

SkyRock · « **Reply #50 on:** June 04, 2007, 01:11:59 PM »

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Originally posted by Shane
if bodhi had a significant e adv it means one of two tings, possibly both...

1. he climbed above teh alt out of icon range and dove down to merge alt with that hidden speed.

and/or

2. skyrock is a throttle-chopping merge weenie.

not that it matters, but the usual RoE for DA fights are:

1. determined alt cap, not to be exceeded until icon is acquired.

this means is say, 6k agl is agreed upon, one shouldn't go above that alt until icon is acquired. this prevents #1 from the above duel possibilities from happening, and it ensures that until icon is acquired, both have comparable e-states.

2. after icon is acquired, anything goes except... firing before the actual merge (planes pass).

now #2 means that when icon is acquired, you can climb, dive, turn, do whatever... most better pilot will try and get under the opponent for 2 reasons, first being that you'll generally have more speed, hence, e to do whatveer comes next, and secondly, going under allows you to more quickly reacquire the target in your rear up view and react accordingly.

now, bodhi has been around almost forever, i find this whole thread thoroughly amusing.

LMAO! Shane hit this one on the head! Of course I'm only a throttle chopping merge weenie when I know I'm fighting another throttle chopping merge weenie! hee hee by the way, I didnt chop throttle as I was flying level at what I though was 15k but apparently it was 14,800! lol
But the 2 statements he made about dueling are the only acceptable and fair way that duels are fought in hte DA. All the vets know this and I have never had a complaint about it by anyone! Oh and I left SHane off the list, and he is an excellent dueling competitor and very respectable about helping if he can. I consider him one of my mentors!

~~Mark~~

JB11 · « **Reply #51 on:** June 04, 2007, 01:12:50 PM »

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Originally posted by Shane

now, bodhi has been around almost forever, i find this whole thread thoroughly amusing.

If it's been that long, he would know by now. Sounds like back to the Training Arena.

SkyRock · « **Reply #52 on:** June 04, 2007, 01:13:12 PM »

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Originally posted by Benny Moore
Yes, I will do that, but only for duels.

Or Skyrock didn't have enough time to get all of his speed after the climb. Or Skyrock had to turn fairly hard in order to be facing Bohdi in time for the merge.

Actually, that is exactly why I wasn't at exactly 15k when we met, I had to turn slightlyto meet him and I guess I dropped 200 feet in the process.

SkyRock · « **Reply #53 on:** June 04, 2007, 01:19:18 PM »

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Originally posted by Bucky73
Not on the list:(

Fine:furious

cheater:D

oh, forgot:o bucky73
and Slash27
and NKL5
and Parin
and MtnMan
and Gooss
and vanscrew
and Betty
and Schatzi
and Ka1e
and aka
and GRIM
and geesh! WHo in the hell haven't I dueled, the list would be easier to make of those I haven't dueled!

~~Mark~~

Shane · « **Reply #54 on:** June 04, 2007, 01:23:08 PM »

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Originally posted by JB11
If it's been that long, he would know by now. Sounds like back to the Training Arena.

all those years of cumulative oxygen deprivation from crusing in his suborbital runstang....

SkyRock · « **Reply #55 on:** June 04, 2007, 01:24:35 PM »

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Originally posted by Yeager
when you merge you should be at equal altitude, not plus or minus 200 feet guys. Being at no advantage prior to merge is part of the challenge. Get with the program.

Yeager, if you fly 1/2 sector in same plane and same altitude, generally you are at equal E states. It is when Icon range is acquired that the fight begins. At that time, you take your Equal E states and use them to gain angles and gun solution on your opponent. This is/has always been the acceptable dueling format used by AH players!
THink about it.....if you are flying right at the guy at lets say 6k, then you'd run right into the guy before you passed him. It makes it where one guy would have to turn a bit/loose E just to not collide. That is why the fight starts when players say, "vis, I'm in"! After that, you can do what you want to except fire on the merge!:aok

Platano · « **Reply #56 on:** June 04, 2007, 01:26:59 PM »

ATTENTION!!!!

My noodle Is biGGer than Both of Ya'll....

I win!

Souless · « **Reply #57 on:** June 04, 2007, 01:27:23 PM »

nvm deleted

SlapShot · « **Reply #58 on:** June 04, 2007, 01:40:32 PM »

Oh and I left SHane off the list, and he is an excellent dueling competitor and very respectable about helping if he can. I consider him one of my mentors!

pffft ... he is the SUXXOR !!!

Bodhi · « **Reply #59 on:** June 04, 2007, 01:43:47 PM »

Skyrock,
How is it, I managed to take off from the same alt 15k. Turn, and head towards you all right at the same altitude. These are the problems I have with this issue:

1. You agreed to rules. They were in place, and you violated them. Knowing you were wrong, you still try to spin the whole point of you being wrong into "standard dueling rules" and BS like that. The point here is that you agreed upon set rules, and now you say they are different... that's a lie.

2. Anytime you feel slighted you berate anyone and everyone with juvenile name calling and that crap. That is rediculous, and in my opinion just another way for you to spin away your defects.

As for this being a contest over ego or genital size, it is none of that for me. It is like the thread title states. Displeasure after dealing with someone who can not stick to an agreement. That is worse than anything else. I went in looking for a fun fight, and instead witnessed someone break their word, and honor.

To me, thats the biggest issue at stake.