30 Months In The Hole...

[rpm]

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Well not quite, at the Virginia Marriott is more like it. This is the first of many convictions that are coming in this administration as it crumbles from power unless Bush gives a mass pardon on exit.

[Sandman]

I guess someone has to be the fall guy.

In other news, it looks like Marine veteran Adam Kokesh is going to get to keep his honorable discharge.

[rpm]

PFC Kokesh

[DiabloTX]

I am wondering what exactly do they think the IRR is for and why they don't consider it part of the Reserve Component when in fact that's exactly what it is.

[Yeager]

the Marine Corps panel, as well as the prosecution's key witness, Major Whyte, agreed that the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) does not apply to members of the Individual Ready Reserve (IRR).
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I have no clue, even though this strikes me as odd.  Does the IRR wear military uniforms, do drills, salute, and stuff like that?

[DiabloTX]

No.  IRR are only required to keep a complete set of uniforms and report in when mandated.  They do not drill, they do not get pay or benefits.  That are the "inactive" part of the reserves, unlike we "active" participant weekend warriors.

BUT, IRR's are still under contract.

[Hornet33]

IRR are still subject to the UCMJ and all it entails. If a member in the IRR is called to active duty and it is found that they have violated anything in the UCMJ before recall, they can be charged. In this guys case I think the Marines stepped over the line as he has not been recalled to active duty. To change his discharge status because he has publicly disagreed with the war while in a IRR status I think is wrong. It's a big can of worms but he has a case againsts the service in this case.

[Maverick]

UCMJ applies in all ways to a Reservist, including IRR but only when they are on active duty. If he is on his own time he is not subject to it. If he is on orders he's subject to the UCMJ provisions. No orders and commits an offense normally under the UCMJ, he's inactive and can't be prosecuted. At the same time if he commits an offense while on orders and then gets released, he must be recalled to active duty to be prosecuted under the UCMJ. This can and has happened before.

Keep in mind the IRR soldier is not assigned to a unit and does not drill on weekends. In many cases they also do not have summer training while they are waiting for their enlistment to finish up. They can enlist with a contract that states say 2 years active duty and 2 years IRR. That means once released from active duty they only have to maintain their uniforms and report if ordered (paper orders) for some kind of duty or even just a physical and to confirm the IRR list is current. Otherwise they are for all intents and purposes a civilian.

[VWE]

Gotta read the small print, when you sign up into our military for the first time you are obligating yourself for 8 years of service. Weather you go to boot camp then straight into the reserves or serve 1 to 6 years active duty, your time is not up untill you've completed your intial 8 years. Though you may be IRR, you still must comply with the regs. For those that think they can do what ever they want, I for one enjoy seeing reality catch up to them like a brick launched out of a cannon.

[Eagler]

ya mean no one told Libby only democrats get away with perjury?

[john9001]

libby is stupid, when asked a question you say "i can't recall" or "i don't remember", just like hillary and bill did in the whitewater investigation.

[Red Tail 444]

[VOR]

Sometimes Uncle Sam needs to get over himself. The IRR thing is a good example. Fine print...pfffft.

[rpm]

Originally posted by john9001
libby is stupid, when asked a question you say "i can't recall" or "i don't remember", just like Regan did in the Iran/Contra investigation.

Fixed

[VOR]

That's an annoying habit you have there, RPM. You can't substitute one fact for another and call it "fixed". It makes you sound like a politician trying to olé the blame.

Instead of fixed, why not try +1 as a more sensible alternative?

Example:

"Hillary is a ****."

You could take the above fact merely in stride and add to it:

"Hillary is a ****, and Dubya is a lying sack of ****. We'd be better off without either of them."

There! Isn't that better? You've made your stand and had your say while still acknowledging the basic undeniable truth your opponent spoke. This lends you credibility while simultaneously endearing you to both sides of the aisle. With a public perception of honesty surrounding you like baby Jeebus' holy aura, you're a shoe-in for AHBBS public office.

How refreshing!