Author Topic: guppy or anyone with info on 109k4 schemes? (Read 4107 times)

Citabria · « **Reply #15 on:** June 06, 2007, 11:54:25 PM »

the colors I want to use for these are similar to the 109g14 colors. unfortunately i am a complete ignoramous on accurate german aircraft colors

would this be accurate for either of these two skins serenity?
seems like its not far off from the 109k4 of I JG77

heres a color test using default skin. this is all airmess work! i only changed the color. will scratchbuild my skin but wanted to show this one to get color opinions.

personally i prefer these colors on my 109 now to find a profile similar with historic markings to match haha

Krusty · « **Reply #16 on:** June 07, 2007, 09:18:41 AM »

Looks a bit too faded and muted. The colors run into each other. Needs just a bit more contrast between the two. Can't tell about the shade itself, as the colors are off on my monitor here at work. Wish I'd checked at home before leaving.

Furball · « **Reply #17 on:** June 07, 2007, 12:32:49 PM »

I know little about 109's. What was the bulge in the wing on the K series for please?

Krusty · « **Reply #18 on:** June 07, 2007, 12:58:03 PM »

Larger wheels in the G series. The wing wasn't thick enough to keep it. On some Gs you'll see the crescent-shaped bump on top of the wing. That's because when retracted the gear is angled, and only half of it is "too tall" for the wheel well. The thing with the K-4 (and G-10?) was speed and performance, so they made the MG bulges aerodynamic, and the same for the wheel well bumps. They made them longer and smoother.

There might be more behind it than that, but essentially, for speed.

Stang · « **Reply #19 on:** June 07, 2007, 02:14:58 PM »

109's are dark, dull, worn and bleak killing machines. I like the effect Fester.

Krusty · « **Reply #20 on:** June 07, 2007, 02:19:24 PM »

Considering that G10s and K4s only served 6 months tops, were fresh new airframes at the beginning of that 6 months, and were at times grounded due to lack of pilots or fuel or any other number of supplies, I don't think they'd be as worn as a weary Emil, or an eastern front F4.

They died young, so to speak.

Xasthur · « **Reply #21 on:** June 07, 2007, 03:00:05 PM »

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Originally posted by Citabria
im tinkering with the thought of doing a 109k4 in a grey/green upper surface

also i need info on what an accurate late war 109k4 wing camo scheme would be.

Citabria, this aircraft seems to fit your description:

JG 52

W.Nr 332529, May 1945

The colours are:

RLM 75
RLM 76
RLM 81
RLM 83

Here are the markings I have for it:

And here is an approximation of how it should look:

I believe that we have a simmilar aircraft already in the game, but as far as I can tell, this is accurate colour and marking information.

Given your skinning abilities (as shown in the image you posted earlier), this would be a great addition to the game

Serenity · « **Reply #22 on:** June 07, 2007, 06:08:08 PM »

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Originally posted by Citabria
the colors I want to use for these are similar to the 109g14 colors. unfortunately i am a complete ignoramous on accurate german aircraft colors

would this be accurate for either of these two skins serenity?
seems like its not far off from the 109k4 of I JG77

heres a color test using default skin. this is all airmess work! i only changed the color. will scratchbuild my skin but wanted to show this one to get color opinions.

personally i prefer these colors on my 109 now to find a profile similar with historic markings to match haha

Im no expert, but I think its a bit dark... The grey should be a bit whiter, and the green a tad brighter. Like was said above, that doesnt look too wrong as far as colors, its just too worn and old to be a K-4. GREAT start though. I can never get colors that close, no matter how hard I try.

Fencer51 · « **Reply #23 on:** June 07, 2007, 07:20:00 PM »

For RLM color references try the following.

Simmers paintshop. here

IPMSStockholm article on Luftwaffe colors. here

and my personal favorite. here

MotleyCH · « **Reply #24 on:** June 07, 2007, 11:40:11 PM »

Is this a K-4?

I'm not very good at identifying the variants.

Serenity · « **Reply #25 on:** June 07, 2007, 11:43:49 PM »

No, that is, I beleive, an Emil.

MotleyCH · « **Reply #26 on:** June 07, 2007, 11:49:39 PM »

.

Here's a G-10 with similar camo..

http://www.jagdgeschwader4.de/Flugzeuge/Me109/

Guppy35 · « **Reply #27 on:** June 08, 2007, 12:02:53 AM »

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Originally posted by MotleyCH
Is this a K-4?

I'm not very good at identifying the variants.

109E4 at the B of B exhibit at the RAF Museum

Serenity · « **Reply #28 on:** June 08, 2007, 12:08:27 AM »

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Originally posted by Guppy35
109E4 at the B of B exhibit at the RAF Museum

Holy ****!!! I always thought you were psychic but this just proves it...

MotleyCH · « **Reply #29 on:** June 08, 2007, 12:08:54 AM »

Ok thanks Dan and Serenity.