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[NOT]

Somebody said "avoid the 90-series drivers" then in the next line said "if you have money check out the Ge8800", only the 8000 series REQUIRES the 90-series drivers, from what I understand. Kind of a contradiction in that one post.

Krusty, the 8000 series cards only  use the 9x.xx drivers, I was referring to the problems associated with the 7000 series cards. So, not a contradiction, just a fact. A contradiction would be the "facts" you  state: i referred to the 8500 or 8600 cards, not the 8800. so, how about instead of posting to see yourself post, actually read what was written.



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[TequilaChaser]

Bad31st,
Please don't take any of my post as saying "This Is What You Need/Should Do".  I merely was offering you a different view at it.

As I mentioned myself, I am hoping to go with a 6600 or 6700 Conroe build up myself soon hopefully( porb soon means tax time next year, and who knows what is out there by then ).

some other tips:

Power Supply Units are very critical. Get a Good quality named brand Unit with I would say at least 500 minimal, preferable would be 600/650 watt.I myself love the antec PSU's...

Good Quality Case that can BREATHE, I love the  Antex900 case.it has big 120cmm fans ( 3 of em ), 1 200mm fan and can really move some air......( also good quality PSU units will have a 120mm fan also, which can help drop your heat factor by 3 to 6 degrees or more )

also like the  : XION Stacker XON-791B Black Steel Chassis with Aluminum Front Door ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

or the: Antec Sonata III Black 0.8mm cold rolled steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 500W Power Supply

remember look for best product tech support & warranty of products that you can find ( research )

last note: if you want more valued thoughts / opinions on what would be best bang for your buck, you might want to post the price range of the total amount you are willing/wanting to spend...

well ok this is last thing: alot of people never do anything to keep dirt out of their computer cases.a lil thing that I do to keep the maintenance down is go to your grocery store and get some "cheesecloth" cut pieces out that will fit over your fan openings, when this become very dirrty/clogged up, just throw them away and put on a new piece of cloth..this will keep the internal components from getting caked up with dirt/gunk/dust etc..and will make your stuff last a lot longer with minimal cleaning


( also if any of your  family in your home have breathing problems, you can put cheesecloth over our supply vents to help catch irritating contaminants/VOC's)

the cheesecloth will not harm or affect the performance of the fans ( or your homes heating/AC blower )

[Skuzzy]

Originally posted by TequilaChaser
and Skuzzy, we all know you are Pro INTEL , and I am Pro best bang for the buck......

Why don't you search the bulletin board for Prescott and see what I said about it before making an attempt to impinge my credibility.  You will find I consistently warned people to stay away form the Prescott CPU as it was an "abomination".

Clock rates mean squat in terms of actual performance today.  OVerclockers just use it as a comparison to the stock CPU they are running against.  It effects the percentage of performance tobe gained when comparing to the same CPU.

Krusty pretty much addressed everything else, except for power consumption.  The current generation of Intel CPU's consume mcuh less power than the AMD counterpart does, so there is much less heat to dissipate.  This is pretty well known.

[TequilaChaser]

Originally posted by Skuzzy

You need to search the boards better.  I have always been straight up abd which CPU was faster and better.  

SirSkuzzy, please notice my big grin smiliey face, that was just a humorous jab.....and I was not comparing the 5600 n90 to the Intel as far has heat goes, I was comparing it to the other AMDs ( 6000 & FX62 which both run hotter than the 5600 yet the 5600 can produce the same as the 6000 or FX62 )

also, just as a Conroe can be overclocked, so can the 5600 / people have been getting 2.95 to 3.15 and still on stock cooling........ it might run hotter but  how much hotter is to hot and what constitues not enough to even be bothered with?

***Also I even mentioned, I was wanting to build a Conroe , this is about my 3rd or 4th time saying it ****

I agree Intel has showed up AMD and are leading the race, I agree AMD is playing catchup at the moment, why though does everyone have to speak as if the other person that posted a different view is wrong ....I never do understand this.

and Skuzzy, I truely read all your post, and even ask you questions when I do not understand a particular subject that I think you might have the answer to

the Pro Intel comment was a joke sir, relax

I guess I need to go and maybe pull benchmarks and different test data if I can find the links,  I should have known better than to offer a comment or view...

[TequilaChaser]

Originally posted by Skuzzy
Why don't you search the bulletin board for Prescott and see what I said about it before making an attempt to impinge my credibility.  You will find I consistently warned people to stay away form the Prescott CPU as it was an "abomination".

Clock rates mean squat in terms of actual performance today.  OVerclockers just use it as a comparison to the stock CPU they are running against.  It effects the percentage of performance tobe gained when comparing to the same CPU.

 

Skuzzy,  I apologize that you took it as an impingement on your credibility, I meant it as a Joke and it was taken the wrong way.

I do not need to do a search, I clearly remember how hard you pushed people away from the Prescott.......

I saw your 1st post  for today, when  I was replying with the above post, then you posted again...

I should have worded the joke differently, expression is a hard thing to show in textform, and I have alot of beleif in what you post on these boards.

[Skuzzy]

No problem TC.  I probably should have PM'ed you instead of posting.  I am still working on my first cup of coffee.

Yes, I edited/killed the other response when I had realized Krusty already covered it.  I had missed the post he had made before I made my response.

[Roscoroo]

so intel and Amd  build a F-1 Car .... now who will win the race ??

[Fulmar]

Originally posted by Skuzzy
TC, not sure where you are getting your data, but the Core 2 CPU's all run cooler (using much less power) than the equivalent AMD CPU, across the line,

Cooler yes, and much less power yes at full load.  But the AMD equivalents use less power in idle operation as the Intel C2D's.  Makes them attractive when power usage is a major factor.

Otherwise, Intel > AMD

[Sloehand]

Just a brief comment on two points to consider.  

I am actually guessing, but I suspect the video card being originally considered is AGP, which is now a deadend tech path.  I say this as I have the 7800GS, which I understood to be the top-of-the-line, and last AGP card by nVidia.  I would think PCI-e is the only way to go now for future upgradability.

Also, the 250mb Seagate Barracua (with Parallel) hard drive being consided, the next size up (320Mb) is only $10 more at Newegg.  I just bought two (along with 2 IcyDock disk hot-swappable, external enclosures - very sweet).  That's 28% more space for 14% more money.

[Bad31st]

Originally posted by TequilaChaser
Bad31st,
Please don't take any of my post as saying "This Is What You Need/Should Do".  I merely was offering you a different view at it.
 

Absolutely ~ I posted looking for different views because the opinions of the members of this community

I also liked your case suggestions TC, but I'm really looking for a Micro ATX case 1) I'm running out of space ~ My current desktop will be running trixbox once I build my new machine - I really need a phone switch for business purposes and my current machine will meet that need no problem...

If anyone knows of a better Micro ATX case let me know....

Power supplies: I know quality is crucial I'm just not sure what will fit in a MATX case(paticularly the case I've selected) outside of looking at the case/powersupply and picking up a better PSU after the fact...

As far as the cheesecloth suggestion goes - GOOD Idea - I'm pretty good about changing out the AC filters in my home and clean out the ole PC case every 4 - 6 months but hey - anything to make it a bit easier...

Originally posted by Sloehand
but I suspect the video card being originally considered is AGP, which is now a deadend tech path.

The card originally considered was PCI -e 16 but had a 128 bit memory interface and used GDDR2 so yeah it is older technology but still upgradable...Good call on the HD's though sloehand ~ I didn't even notice the 320 GB's and the minor price difference...

Krusty ~ thanks for your input on the video cards and same to you NOT ~ I think the 8XXX cards are a bit out of my price range - I'll have to double check that though - but the info on drivers is great and will save me a headache or two once I build the machine...

Thanks everyone! Now on to more shopping around so I'll probably post an updated list or at least a couple of questions...

[Gulp]

No expert here, but I just built a similar system (Conroe 2.13, 2 gig Kingston, ASUS P5A??, 7900gs) and it works great for AH.  Steady 75 FPS and no glitches I've found yet.

Aspen