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« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2007, 05:17:25 PM »
Now theres a new one! A Yellow nose! The profiles Ive seen have a red one!
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« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2007, 05:28:42 PM »
Profiles aren't always right. But then the one with a yellow nose is a profile too ;)

Fester, the first photo it's hard to tell if it's red or yellow. The second one the rudder is turne back into the shadow (sunlight going directly along the path the rudder is) so it's even darker still -- can't be sure it's red because the shadow.

First one hints at red, but I've seen some yellow/orange that were darker still. My Herman Graf Fw190 has a B&W photo that shows the nose even darker than the one you've got, but it's an orange-ish yellow shade, definitely not red.

Second one is inconclusive (IMO).

Really need to see the nose, I guess.
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« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2007, 05:32:57 PM »
So the mystery deepens!
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« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2007, 05:35:45 PM »
It was already deep. The mystery just moves sideways at the same depths...

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« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2007, 05:36:56 PM »
and gets deeper. But I hope we can decide. I WANT TO GET TO SKINING!
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« Reply #20 on: June 14, 2007, 05:39:39 PM »
Just to add fuel to the confusion fire.  This profile is from "Luftwaffe Fighter Aircraft in Profile" by Sundin and Bergstrom.  These guys do some pretty serious research on their profiles and it's clearly different from the other stuff posted so far.

But this is their version of Assi Hahn's 109F-4
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« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2007, 05:39:39 PM »
I'd say do it in red until evidence proving otherwise shows up, we have enough yellow-nosed 109s (my own included)
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« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2007, 05:41:34 PM »
Good find, Guppy, but it's probably an entirely different plane (F-4 instead of F-2). Like Marseille's different 109Fs, similar but not the same.
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« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2007, 05:42:03 PM »
wow. Well.... Thats... a very... interesting profile there. Completely helpfull only to make me more confused. But the skin im hoping to do is an F-2, and yet you say thats an F-4? Di dhe fly both types?
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« Reply #24 on: June 14, 2007, 05:48:57 PM »
OK so where are the luftwaffe experts when ya need em.

What makes sense.

Like the RAF and USAAF the LW had standard ID colors that changed over time.

I'd be surprised that an individual pilot like Hahn was allowed a completely red nose, when the ID colors for a time were solid yellow noses.

Then they did away with the full yellow noses and made it the undersides like in the profile i posted.

So what is the time frame for the different LW ID colors?  I know it started with yellow rudder tips in the B of B and quickly moved on to yellow rudders and then noses but I don't know how and when those changes occured.
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« Reply #25 on: June 14, 2007, 05:52:54 PM »
WOOOOO Just noticed! The B&W photo's are differant planes! Looks exactly the same, but the arrows are differant! The lower photo is more acute than the top one!
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« Reply #26 on: June 14, 2007, 07:27:20 PM »
That doesn't really help any, because the nose is still covered and the shadow on the rudder is possibly making it look a bit darker.

Just do it the way you want, but make sure you can JUSTIFY the way you did it when you submit it.
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« Reply #27 on: June 14, 2007, 07:55:31 PM »
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Fester, the first photo..  


Ya know Krusty, with over 12220 posts you would assume you could read.

The two b+w photos are of JG2 109F2s from the same time frame as Hahn's F2.
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« Reply #28 on: June 14, 2007, 08:45:42 PM »
I got that. I was only talking about the colors. It was MacLeod that said they weren't the same plane.
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« Reply #29 on: June 14, 2007, 10:38:55 PM »
Did you get the fact that I am not Fester? :rofl
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