B17 armor

[titanic3]

way way too much armor for the B17 in AH. earlier this morning, i flew a 109K and saw a lone B17, no formation, i fired 10 shots into that B17. YEs, it IS 30mm, it was the only thing i fired, i ran out of 13mm. the only thing the B17 lost was a rudder and 1 airleron. that ain't right. on my info, B17 takes only 5 shot of Mk108.

[nirvana]

Were they absolutely in the same general area or spread out?  I've seen pictures of B17's missing half of the vertical stabilizer flying home, they were tough, giant masses.

See these for examples of the damage they could take, especially take note of the picture of "General Ike" and the direct flak hit.

[Blooz]

It's not about armor.  It's about hitting the things that make the plane fly.

These planes are hollow shells in the fuselage area. In a real plane you'd have crew, cables, wires, hoses all kinds of stuff to help destroy the plane located the entire length of the fuselage but in the game you need to hit cockpits, engines or put alot of bullets into a small area of wing to get good results.

It's not so much how many hits you get as where they hit.

I've emptied entire ammo loads of P47 (3400 rds!) into bombers and not gotten so much as a fuel leak because I wasn't putting enough rounds in one spot to do much damage.

The Mk108 30mm is a great gun but you still need to hit the vital areas with it to get good results and with only 65 rounds to work with it's tough to do.

[weazely]

hit heavy bombers such as the B24 and B17 in the beginning of the wing(the area wer the wing come together with the body)

[IMXLR8N]

I honestly don't believe that any of the planes are modeled very accurately. The P-47s I feel come apart way too easily compared to real life where they ran into trees and took direct engine hits and still made it home with pistons poking out. But, you have to realize this is a game and if you had to empty two 109's worth of ammo to shoot a Jug down or have multiple direct hits from puffy ack to take out one B-17, I doubt that anyone would play.

This game is more about fun with some realism added to it. It's not real life.

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by IMXLR8N
I honestly don't believe that any of the planes are modeled very accurately. The P-47s I feel come apart way too easily compared to real life where they ran into trees and took direct engine hits and still made it home with pistons poking out. But, you have to realize this is a game and if you had to empty two 109's worth of ammo to shoot a Jug down or have multiple direct hits from puffy ack to take out one B-17, I doubt that anyone would play.

This game is more about fun with some realism added to it. It's not real life.

And you base this judgement about the work of HTC on?

[Motherland]

As said before, it is not the armor, it is where you hit the bomber. Aiming for the fuselage is pretty worthless, as you can take of elevators and even stabilizers, but these kinds of hits dont happen very often and even if they do the plane is still flyable. I like to aim for one of the engines (usually engine #2, the one closest to the fuselage on the right side). Once an engine is out, it makes the plane very hard to fly, and eventually the fire will tear the whole wing off, making the plane impossible to fly. It  only takes a two or three thuds from the MK 108 to disable an engine or take of a wing. Though, even with only 3 engines, its still possible to fly a buff home, so try to take the wings off. And, of course, never come up behind it. Almost every B26 sortie I fly, I shoot down one or to idiots that come up behind my plane and try to shoot me down . The most difficult shot, from a gunners perspective, is when the interceptor climbs or dives onto your bomber. And hit Lanc's and B26's from the belly, they have no ventral or ball turrets. So easy.

[Benny Moore]

Originally posted by Guppy35
And you base this judgement about the work of HTC on?

He's got a point.  Real Thunderbolts were known to even go into forests at 300 M.P.H. and have the fuselage still be intact.  The legendary P-47's duribility isn't quite so impressive in Aces High II (though still tough).

[Larry]

These kids are just reading something on the intardnet then post it here because they think everything they read or see is true.

To the thread starter there is nothing wrong with bombers, the problem is your aiming. If no one is around to mess with me or the bombers I can take out a formation in three passes in a 109K with ammo left for fighters.

[Kweassa]

Legends are made of those who were lucky enough to come back alive.

 Count in the rest of the cases where planes that've been shot never came back home, and we soon realize why we call them "legends", not "reality".

[MstWntd]

Originally posted by titanic3
way way too much armor for the B17 in AH. earlier this morning, i flew a 109K and saw a lone B17, no formation, i fired 10 shots into that B17. YEs, it IS 30mm, it was the only thing i fired, i ran out of 13mm. the only thing the B17 lost was a rudder and 1 airleron. that ain't right. on my info, B17 takes only 5 shot of Mk108.

you fly in h2h dont you? maybe gun leathality was turned down

[titanic3]

Originally posted by Spikey
you fly in h2h dont you? maybe gun leathality was turned down

i do fly in H2H, but it was a very realistic arena, hosted by erojji. it was a Axis vs Allies: Phase 4. i was flying a 109G14 and saw the B17.

[Larry]

Never base your "opinion" from a H2H arena. Settings in there can be screwed with by people who know nothing of what they are doing.

[SAS_KID]

Originally posted by titanic3
i do fly in H2H, but it was a very realistic arena, hosted by erojji. it was a Axis vs Allies: Phase 4. i was flying a 109G14 and saw the B17.

Your first post says 109K4

[IMXLR8N]

Originally posted by Guppy35
And you base this judgement about the work of HTC on?

I know this because I've talked face to face with several vets from WWII, both Axis and Allied. They all have stories of Jugs taking hits, plowing through trees, and even taking direct hits from 88's at point blank range and still coming back. Even pilots of other Allied aircraft would attest to the strength and survivability of the Jug. Now tell me when a Pony brushes you and your tail comes all the way off and a Lanc shoots your engine with those high powered .303's and you lose your entire engine, that this game is modeled true to life.

It's good and I love the game. Do I expect to fly an invincible plane around all night and rack up a million kills? No, what would be the fun in that and who would want to have to pump all the ammo they've got on board into one plane for 20 minutes? Not I.

This game is just that, a game. So those of you that take it so friggin' seriously, lighten up and go outside once in a while, you're missing an entire world out there.