Author Topic: Hitech, what about this idea? (Read 2952 times)

Lusche · « **Reply #30 on:** June 13, 2007, 10:28:38 AM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
radio, but I totally see the point when your team was outnumbered 2:1, being ganged up on by both other teams, and of your players 60% were mindlessly furballing at the center lake.

The quota of players in FT was always approximately the same for all countries. Had you just shut down FT, your country would still have been outnumbered.

And there is some rumor that there are some players who are not interested in the "war" at all, regardless of map & situation

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Originally posted by Krusty
cause the fields were at 5K artificial drop-offs so that any reupper can just dive into the fray with 500+ MPH without having to worry about climbing, building speed, and those that have already bested somebody (already have a kill or have survived af fight) are now low and slow.

And thats' exactly what made FT so popular.

FT was the best place to sharpen your SA.

duddini · « **Reply #31 on:** June 13, 2007, 10:34:24 AM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
.... and of your players 60% were mindlessly furballing at the center lake.

I'd actually be very happy spending 90% of my time furballing

Simaril · « **Reply #32 on:** June 13, 2007, 10:34:46 AM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
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Kinda stupid ifluff'n ya ask me....

No offense Krusty, but its not stupid at all. You can only say so if you expect everyone out there to have the same values as you do...which is inherently unreasonable.

There are many who like the tactical side, and want to take bases to "win". It can be a lot of fun, at least when numbers aren't the determining factor. Unfortuantely, in my (not at all exhaustive) experience, the vast majority of captures boil down to application of locally overwhelming numbers...so for me, that lost its appeal. It's not any fun (for me) to be part of those captures, and not worth the frustration to fight them.

Now for people like me, when the Country is getting steamrolled, it isnt a bother. I just want a fight where I can be competitive, and have some fun that way.

We're not stupid, Krusty.... we just have different goals.

Krusty · « **Reply #33 on:** June 13, 2007, 10:42:55 AM »

Stupid that over half your team is obsessed with something else, totally ignoring the fact that the rest of the rather sizable team could use them (not even anywhere specific, just NUMBERS to help counter the enemy).

I like the idea that this would be separate from the LWAs, because then this wouldn't happen. All those in the LWAs would be able to put pressure on the other teams in whatever way they wish, but wouldn't end up shafting their countrymates (now especially with ENY!) because they wanted to play something else.

If this were in a separate arena (as suggested in this thread) it would be the best of both worlds, IMO!

Toad · « **Reply #34 on:** June 13, 2007, 10:54:03 AM »

Well, that's one way to look at it I guess.

Or you could figure that the reuppers diving in give you great practice on your reversals.

I always figured getting three at FT was a great sortie. Sure, you almost always get killed; big deal, another cartoon airplane bites the dust. But the excitement of whirling, swirling and staying alive in that remorseless environment long enough to kill 3, 4, 5 others... priceless.

Toad · « **Reply #35 on:** June 13, 2007, 10:57:26 AM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
Stupid that over half your team is obsessed with something else, totally ignoring the fact that the rest of the rather sizable team could use them (not even anywhere specific, just NUMBERS to help counter the enemy).

I like the idea that this would be separate from the LWAs, because then this wouldn't happen. All those in the LWAs would be able to put pressure on the other teams in whatever way they wish, but wouldn't end up shafting their countrymates (now especially with ENY!) because they wanted to play something else.

If this were in a separate arena (as suggested in this thread) it would be the best of both worlds, IMO!

The above is perhaps a classic example of "Play my way!" or get out.

And it's not coming from the furball side at all.

Thank you and good night.

Krusty · « **Reply #36 on:** June 13, 2007, 11:13:33 AM »

Incorrect, and arrogant to think so Toad.

This game has certain constructs built directly into it. The entire point of base taking was only created to further air to air action. And ground action. The imbalances which HTC have watched for so long, and gave so much concern about that they changed the arenas several times in quick succession to try to rectify these imbalances, they were worsened by the "mindless furballers" -- a term I did not coin but I use because folks understand what I mean. I myself fit into this category most of the time.

Do not presume to think that, simply because I express 1 side of an opinion, I only know 1 side of the issue. I understand both sides of the matter. From your typical responses I can presume you're one of the "mindless furballers." What other conclusion can I draw with your recent post(s)?

(see how that works? Just like you were doing?)

Now, with the arbitrary constructs that AH has in place -- it doesn't matter what they are, it's "the system" -- if you have folks that go outside the system they hurt the folks still in the system. What if you got perks just for hours logged on? You'd have 75% of your team logged on and AFK for the night, even if they weren't flying. This doesn't hurt anybody, right? Wrong.

Like I said, I don't tell folks how to fly. I might chastize them for flying like a tard, but that's about it (and not that often). However, as long as they fly within the system we've got going, I don't give a rat's. Once they start screwing up ME and MINE, then I have issues.

Furball island usually ended up giving the entire team the shaft. Maybe this is unique to Knights. I don't know.

I reiterate, I'm all for this idea. I enjoyed FT more than my fair share of times. However I don't want to see it back in the LWAs regularly. Having it in a separate arena allows me to enjoy it when I want, and allows me to NOT get screwed by my own teammates when I don't want it.

MstWntd · « **Reply #37 on:** June 13, 2007, 11:38:53 AM »

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Originally posted by Raptor
If Fighter Town were brought back to MW or EW I garantee numbers would be higher.

oh yes...

duddini · « **Reply #38 on:** June 13, 2007, 11:39:42 AM »

Where did the term "mindless furballers" come from ?? Heck, that is what convinced me to pony up my $15/month after my 2 week free run, the fun of trying to shoot down other planes. Furballs have the most potential targets (I know, I'm very frequently somebody else's target

) After all, this game IS all about air combat......furballs....

Guess I'm just a clueless noob.

hammer · « **Reply #39 on:** June 13, 2007, 11:41:31 AM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
...I totally see the point when your team was outnumbered 2:1, being ganged up on by both other teams, and of your players 60% were mindlessly furballing at the center lake.

If those same 60% who want to furball go to a different arena to do so, how is that an improvement from them being in the FT area furballing? I submit it would be worse. At least with FT in the middle of the map, furballers from all sides would stay in the furball. If FT was a different arena, when one side or the other gets close to winning, lemmings would tend run to that arena to the winning side (even the ones who won't get any perks for the reset!) and the numbers would become even more lop-sided.

Regards,

Hammer

MstWntd · « **Reply #40 on:** June 13, 2007, 11:43:09 AM »

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Originally posted by hammer
If those same 60% who want to furball go to a different arena to do so, how is that an improvement from them being in the FT area furballing? I submit it would be worse. At least with FT in the middle of the map, furballers from all sides would stay in the furball. If FT was a different arena, when one side or the other gets close to winning, lemmings would tend run to that arena to the winning side (even the ones who won't get any perks for the reset!) and the numbers would become even more lop-sided.

Regards,

Hammer

I don't quite get it
you are saying you want FT back?

jhookt · « **Reply #41 on:** June 13, 2007, 11:43:37 AM »

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Originally posted by duddini
Where did the term "mindless furballers" come from ??

back when there was a fightertown, there was a certain brand of people who made no effort to dogfight and would just plow head on with what ever thier cannon bird of choice happen to be.

hammer · « **Reply #42 on:** June 13, 2007, 11:52:56 AM »

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Originally posted by Spikey
I don't quite get it
you are saying you want FT back?

While I personally enjoy FT, I don't particularly care one way or the other. I generally can find some fun in any of the arenas. I am just curious as to how having furballers in a different arena would be any different from having them concentrated in the center of any MA map. In either case they (we? I tend to look for furballs even on maps without FT) are not participating in capturing bases, are not defending bases, and are not otherwise contributing (or detracting IMHO) from the base capture / win-the-war side.

If it was up to me, I would have somewhere for furballers to furball. Fighter vs Fighter is what I like to do and there is really no incentive (for me) to win the war. I get much more satisfaction out of a good fight (win or lose) than I do from winning the war.

Regards,

Hammer

Krusty · « **Reply #43 on:** June 13, 2007, 11:57:39 AM »

Hammer, if they are in another arena they won't affect your ENY limitations. They won't inflate country numbers with "empty slots" so to speak.

Mind you, what we have now is different from what we had when maps like Donut were in regular rotation.

The arena will be much as it is now, perhaps with less players at first (but even a FT only arena would slow down after a while -- it is repetitive), then would re-stabilize into what we've been seeing lately.

EDIT: P.S. They need to just make a map with 2 airfields per side, around a sector-wide lake, no more than 2k airfields, and no mountains no other fields, no rest of the map, just that and then put this map in the new arena (whatever it may be called).

Lusche · « **Reply #44 on:** June 13, 2007, 12:00:49 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
I enjoyed FT more than my fair share of times.Having it in a separate arena allows me to enjoy it when I want, and allows me to NOT get screwed by my own teammates when I don't want it.

Screwed by own teamates? I don't get it.

So you are basically saying people don't help your war effort because they are on a specific part of the map called FT.
What would be different if they were in a different arena instead? Nothing. They still wouldn't help you. Actually they would even less, for sometimes some of the "furballers" in FT listened to cries for help, when some battle on the same map was in a cruical stage. If they are in a different arena, they won't even notice.

And again for the record: ALL countries were "affected" by FT at a similar degree. ENY wouldn't change much on the average.
And you could read alll those "wasted resources" cries on every countrychannel.