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storch

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if the polar ice caps were to melt
« on: June 13, 2007, 09:18:55 AM »
let's say that this global warming thing were to occur and it did so quickly enough before the scientistist changed their minds again and brought us another iceage, would tennessee become beach front property?

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« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2007, 09:42:03 AM »
not quite true any longer as greater miami encroaches further west into the everglades.  my concern is that I'll die before then.  I'm still anxiously awaiting the promised iceage from the 70's.   the reason for the question is that there are some sweet sounding deals available for land in east tennessee but I only want beach front or potentially beach front property if my heirs have a shot at it.

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« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2007, 10:14:37 AM »
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« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2007, 11:34:00 AM »
It's not a "Waterworld" we need to be concerned about.

The worse case, 100 meter sea level rise, if we were to lose all the pack ice and glaciers looks like THIS
 where Tennesee may see some bay-side property to it's west.

We don't need that dramatic a rise in sea level to cause major problems though.  There are already small island communities in Micronesia, Bangladesh, Alaska, and elsewhere, where the small rise in sea levels seen so far are inundating their homes and property.  A few centimeters can start causing some folks problems.

Or, you could plug in which numbers you want at http://flood.firetree.net/?ll=43.3251,-101.6015&z=13&m=7 to see what effects different sea level rises have around the world. 6m (20 feet) is a common one.

Here  are various maps for various rise in sea level.

EPA no longer officially updates it's global warming site, but they maintain maps about areas vulnerable to rise in sea levels Here

And there is a good map showing how low sea levels were 18,000 years ago during the last ice age, when they were 100 meters lower, compared to today, and compared to where they would be if all the glaciers melted located here.

You have to remember that over half of the world's 6 billion people live in coastal areas, primarily large cities, lower ends of major rivers, and coastal plains.  Any significant rise in sea levels that overwhelm any flood control projects that are built to protect these areas, and you get Katrina for up to half the world's population.  A meter is enough to start things.  Thermal expansion of water is not included in most models, but that can add  to the volume of water (warmer water expanding, which raises sea levels even a bit more).

You also end up inundating most of the world's seaports and oil terminals.  This greatly limits the ability to move bulk quantities of energy producing oil, natural gas, coal, bulk ores, grains and foodstuffs, and manufactured products.
You also end up inundating the desalination plants and lower river fresh water intakes and treatment facilities in much of the world.
You flood many major airports.
You flood many major routes for transportation and rail.
You flood a number of power plants.
 
There there is the change in evaporation and rainfall trends (Brazil sees this now, the Amazon River has dried up due to regional drought these past 3 years).  There larger seas retain more solar energy in the form of heat.  This can lead to stronger storms, or more storms.  More damage done from these storms against crops and homes.

Finally there are the min ice age scenarios: less salty water in Great Oceanic Conveyor including the Gulf Stream leads to less heat brought to the North Atlantic = cooler temperatures regionally across New England, Eastern Canada, and Northern Europe.  These areas experience much colder weather while the rest of the world heats up.

The 100 meter rise in sea level map above would be the result of a runaway event.  The seabed floors and the permafrost in Siberia begin to thaw and release huge amounts of CO2 and methane, both greenhouse gases.  That's the true runaway trigger, considering the amount of CO2 and methane sequestered in frozen seabeds and permafrost.
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« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2007, 12:07:07 PM »
Personally, I think the weather changes will be far more profound, both upon us and the ecosystem, before any real 'flooding' could take place.

Before you say I'm some left wing nut, I think there is little doubt we are having some changes lately, it is the cause (man-made or natural cycle) is the real question.
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« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2007, 12:23:39 PM »
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« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2007, 01:26:46 PM »
time to move to higher ground.

or buy a boat.

edit, in all seriousness, we need to start painting everything white to reflect the suns rays back into space and save the world.
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« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2007, 01:32:17 PM »
Sea level rises on a global scale are due to the expansion of the water volume (therefore it is a very slow process), not melting ice.
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« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2007, 01:50:03 PM »
Two weeks

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« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2007, 02:12:08 PM »
like everything on this scale... no one knows.

ferndale has the best answer for once.... let's wait and see.

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« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2007, 03:47:12 PM »
yes lets warm up a just a little bit an the next natural step is
activating our extremely large deposits of methane hydrate found
under sediments on the ocean floors, if this happen, we will get
the next "Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum", if we like it or not.
let's wait and see?
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« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2007, 04:22:13 PM »
if we like it or not.
let's wait and see?
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« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2007, 04:25:30 PM »
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y....., if this happen, we will get
the next "Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum", if we like it or not.
let's wait and see?


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« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2007, 04:50:02 PM »
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Originally posted by tedrbr
It's not a "Waterworld" we need to be concerned about.

The worse case, 100 meter sea level rise, if we were to lose all the pack ice and glaciers looks like THIS
 


Personally aesthetically I think its an improvement.

I say lets go for it!


Hmmm might make an interesting AH MA map as well
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« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2007, 05:10:03 PM »
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Does "Hallmark" make a card for that?:confused:


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