A video everyone should see (about china)

[soda72]

[wrag]

Originally posted by Russian
So China actually respects its own border and protects it (to and from), unlike USA when dirty Mexicans can enter when ever they feel like. How about USA adapts same policy? Problem with uneducated and skill-less illegal immigrants is solved instantly. Or as instantly as bullet impacts first 'traveler' and news spread.

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This post IMHO is totally tasteless.................

BTW I do not consider Mexicans to be dirty.  I served with individuals whos skin was a  different color then mine, and NEVER considered them anything other then Americans.

The people coming into America today illegally or legally are seeking a part of the DREAM.

I have no problem with them...  IF they will accept the culture, the basic concepts of the Bill of Rights and the Constitution, and seek to enjoy this nation as it is, then welcome and best wishs.

I often think the immigration would stop if these concepts were exported to other countries.  Although things could get bloody in the other countries before things got settled............  so much greed and lust for power...........

[mandingo]

maybe they were trying to get brad pitt

[lazs2]

moot I may have been too subtle.... my point was that an unarmed citizenry is helpless against its armed government.   you never see the government wanting to give up its guns.

my point was that governments still do what our founding fathers said governments do

lazs

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by lazs2
moot I may have been too subtle.... my point was that an unarmed citizenry is helpless against its armed government.   you never see the government wanting to give up its guns.

lazs you do show some ignorance of the way of life there though. These people were unarmed by choice, not by force.

[moot]

Unarmed voluntarily or not, they are sitting ducks for criminals to attack, nevermind in this situation where they are (with all due respect) as good as tin targets to plink.
Their way of life just met those sniper's.. which one survived?  (Reincarnation notwithstanding )

[wrag]

Originally posted by Vulcan
lazs you do show some ignorance of the way of life there though. These people were unarmed by choice, not by force.

HUUUUUUHHHHHH?

You are saying the people in China choose to be unarmed?

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by Russian
So China actually respects its own border and protects it (to and from), unlike USA when dirty Mexicans can enter when ever they feel like. How about USA adapts same policy? Problem with uneducated and skill-less illegal immigrants is solved instantly. Or as instantly as bullet impacts first 'traveler' and news spread.

WTF?   I'm glad I was raised better than this.

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by wrag
HUUUUUUHHHHHH?

You are saying the people in China choose to be unarmed?

No, buddhists on a pilgrimage from Tibet to India to see the dalai lama do though (thats a deep hole you got there wrag :  )

[lazs2]

I am saying that a government will eventually shoot an unarmed populace.   Hell.. they shoot a few of us from time to time and we are armed.  

lazs

[Shuckins]

The paranoia of the atheistic Communist Chinese government is unmatched.  Where, but in China, can one find leaders who fear the non-violent activities of someone like the Dalai Lama?

[wrag]

Originally posted by Vulcan
No, buddhists on a pilgrimage from Tibet to India to see the dalai lama do though (thats a deep hole you got there wrag :  )

Really?

Even after the dalai lama said the following?

“If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun.” - Dalai Lama, Tibet

Some even remark on his statement, found this on a thread.

"The Dalai Lama said acts of violence should be remembered, and then forgiveness should be extended to the perpetrators. But if someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, he said, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun."

Also IIRC when China invaded Tibet there was fighting.  IIRC Tibet actually had a small army?

The Tibetians lost, just too many Chinese soldiers I guess.

So now Tibet is considered part of China?

Now, are you saying that the people there CAN carry arms?

Are you saying anyone wishing to travel to or from Tibet can carry arms?

IIRC China has some of the STRICTEST gun control laws in the world?!?!?

What hole?

[lazs2]

ghandi also said that the worst thing the brits did to his people (and there was plenty) was to take their guns away.

The world is no different today than when our founders had the sense to see that governments turned evil when they had the power and that only an armed populace was any proof at all against such an evil.

lazs

[StSanta]

Originally posted by lazs2
I am saying that a government will eventually shoot an unarmed populace.   Hell.. they shoot a few of us from time to time and we are armed.  

lazs

They probably should have picked up arms back in the 1500s. The previous form f government (theocracy mixed with secular aristocracy) was far from a peace loving perfect society.

Check out this link for a well documented overview of the state of affairs before the Chinese invasion:

http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html

Slavery, serfdom, feudalism. The powerful oppressing the powerless. Not exactly paradise on earth. Some Tibetans (serfs mostly) called the invasion "liberation". Of course the sources cited might be just BS, I don't know.

The Dalai Lama appears to be a very sympathetic and intelligent man. Previous incarnations, if these documents hold any truth, were less sympathetic or at the very least had less control.

Karma is an interesting concept. I am not sure how it applies here but there are some alternative ways of seeing it.

At any rate, nowadays they are at the mercy of the Chinese government. Before they were at the mercy of the elite. With a fully armed society, any oppressor would basically have had to empty Tibet of people to rule it.

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by wrag
Really?

Even after the dalai lama said the following?

“If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun.” - Dalai Lama, Tibet

Some even remark on his statement, found this on a thread.

"The Dalai Lama said acts of violence should be remembered, and then forgiveness should be extended to the perpetrators. But if someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, he said, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun."

Also IIRC when China invaded Tibet there was fighting.  IIRC Tibet actually had a small army?

The Tibetians lost, just too many Chinese soldiers I guess.

So now Tibet is considered part of China?

Now, are you saying that the people there CAN carry arms?

Are you saying anyone wishing to travel to or from Tibet can carry arms?

IIRC China has some of the STRICTEST gun control laws in the world?!?!?

What hole?

Doesn't mean buddhists will pick up a gun and shoot back, in their eyes not shooting back in this case has probably acheived far more.