Author Topic: Perk The Sherman!!!!! (Read 2035 times)

soda72 · « **Reply #15 on:** June 14, 2007, 01:58:02 PM »

perk
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ostwind 05
panzer 05
t34 05
Sherman FF 10
Tiger 50

m3 0
m16 0
m8 0
jeep 0

Lusche · « **Reply #16 on:** June 14, 2007, 02:00:29 PM »

Perking the Panzer & T34? Is there any reason for it?
That's as if you would perk every fighter in the game, leaving noobs only to fly buffs and goons. Or in this case, M8's. Defenitely no fun.

BaldEagl · « **Reply #17 on:** June 14, 2007, 02:02:04 PM »

More like:

perk
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ostwind 0
panzer 0
t34 0
Sherman FF 10
Tiger 25

m3 0
m16 0
m8 0
jeep 0

Castedo · « **Reply #18 on:** June 14, 2007, 02:08:34 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by BaldEagl
More like:

perk
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ostwind 0
panzer 0
t34 0
T34-85 5
Panther 10
Sherman FF 10
Tiger 10
King Tiger 20

m3 0
m16 0
m8 0
jeep 0

Just an idea!

Lusche · « **Reply #19 on:** June 14, 2007, 02:11:05 PM »

Some current tour data:

Panzer kills of Sherman 2801
Sherman kills of Panzer 5119
0.55 K/D

Panzer kills of T34 425
T34 kills of Panzer 252
1.67 K/D

Panzer kills of Tiger 261
Tiger kills of Panzer 1385
0.19 K/D

Sherman kills of Tiger 548
Tiger kills of Sherman 1101
0.49 K/D

Sherman kills of T34 706
Sherman kills of T34 174
4.06 K/D

T34 kills of Tiger 25
Tiger kills of T34 280
0.09 K/D

Note that K/D Tiger vs Firefly is almost the same as Firefly vs Panzer IV

Stampf · « **Reply #20 on:** June 14, 2007, 02:13:38 PM »

all which says...

"Houston, we have a problem"...

Stampf · « **Reply #21 on:** June 14, 2007, 02:22:14 PM »

Remember, there was no "parity" between Axis and Allied armored forces. I'm not talking about the men who served, just the machines they served in. As I said above, the problem is not the FF. It's the overwhelming pressence of them on the battlefield.

Axis Armoured Divisions were destoyed from the air. Although the Red Army did better, in combining armoured tactics, with overwhelming numbers, coupled with their airpower, then the western powers did. "Shermans were rolling coffins" on the western front and no match for even a regular field upgraded PanzerIV.

Seeing a Panzer on the field now is like spotting low lancs...

Mine, Mine, Mine ???

BaldEagl · « **Reply #22 on:** June 14, 2007, 02:57:11 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by Lusche
Some current tour data:

Panzer kills of Sherman 2801
Sherman kills of Panzer 5119
0.55 K/D

Panzer kills of T34 425
T34 kills of Panzer 252
1.67 K/D

Panzer kills of Tiger 261
Tiger kills of Panzer 1385
0.19 K/D

Sherman kills of Tiger 548
Tiger kills of Sherman 1101
0.49 K/D

Sherman kills of T34 706
Sherman kills of T34 174
4.06 K/D

T34 kills of Tiger 25
Tiger kills of T34 280
0.09 K/D

Note that K/D Tiger vs Firefly is almost the same as Firefly vs Panzer IV

Which says to me, as I've already stated without looking at the numbers, that the Sherman should be half the perk price of a Tiger.

tedrbr · « **Reply #23 on:** June 14, 2007, 03:12:02 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by Virage
The firefly has the best gun in the game and the second best armor.

Perk it.

About that armor... was it really that effective vs. the PzrIV 75mm?

Sherman/Firefly Armor.... would it be that effective against the AP rounds from an IL-2? Usually I find my self tracking them, stripping off the coax, then killing M3's and jeeps that try to get veh sups to them.

Ah, heck, leave the FF.... give us the Gun option for the Stuka JU-87G (refitted Ju 87D) Kanonenvogel with 2×37 mm BK 37 X 6 rpg. All Your Fireflies Are Belong To Us!

Krusty · « **Reply #24 on:** June 14, 2007, 03:13:35 PM »

Ted, I think they had 12 rpg (very early ones had 6 then it was doubled)

Bring on the -87G!!!

Lusche · « **Reply #25 on:** June 14, 2007, 03:14:55 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by tedrbr
Sherman/Firefly Armor.... would it be that effective against the AP rounds from an IL-2? Usually I find my self tracking them, stripping off the coax, then killing M3's and jeeps that try to get veh sups to them.

Ah, heck, leave the FF.... give us the Gun option for the Stuka JU-87G (refitted Ju 87D) Kanonenvogel with 2×37 mm BK 37 X 6 rpg. All Your Fireflies Are Belong To Us!

Il2 can shred FF. Steep angle, aim for rear deck immediately behind turret. Took me an afternoon of practice, but now it's almost as easy as killing Panzer IV's.

And 'till we get the 87G... we already have a tankbuster with an even bigger gun

Wolfala · « **Reply #26 on:** June 14, 2007, 03:15:05 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
Tigrs are still able to take multiple 1k bombs with near misses (1 foot from the treads) and keep on truckin'... Does the sherman do that? Last I heard the Firefly was most vulnerable to any bombs as long as they're within a football field of it.

Perhaps you shouldn't be calling for an unperked tiger. Perhaps you should be calling for a light perk on the Firefly? (Say, 5 points?)

Didn't help this guy any. Rolled in with an A-20 and dropped all 8 with a CEP of about 3 meters. 2 on his upper deck alone.

Wolf

Lusche · « **Reply #27 on:** June 14, 2007, 03:18:37 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by Wolfala

Didn't help this guy any. Rolled in with an A-20 and dropped all 8 with a CEP of about 3 meters. 2 on his upper deck alone.

Wolf

But many people just can't aim well enough. When a port is under sudden attack by many cons and the Vh is about to be dropped, I always roll a Tiger for defense, not an Ostwind. Usually I survive for a loooong time, often I can even foil squad sized capture attempts. Just don't sit still with a Tiger!

humble · « **Reply #28 on:** June 14, 2007, 03:26:18 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by Stampf
Remember, there was no "parity" between Axis and Allied armored forces. I'm not talking about the men who served, just the machines they served in. As I said above, the problem is not the FF. It's the overwhelming pressence of them on the battlefield.

Axis Armoured Divisions were destoyed from the air. Although the Red Army did better, in combining armoured tactics, with overwhelming numbers, coupled with their airpower, then the western powers did. "Shermans were rolling coffins" on the western front and no match for even a regular field upgraded PanzerIV.

Seeing a Panzer on the field now is like spotting low lancs...

Mine, Mine, Mine ???

This is not entirely correct. The "stock" sherman was at a significant disadvantage vs any of the german armor since its main gun was so inferior. since the M4 was deployed in an offensive role it had to close against superior weaponry deployed in a defensive posture on known terrain....so it absorbed tremendous losses just getting in range. There are however numerous engagements where the sherman did well in pure "tank on tank" combat. In one the german lost 54 Panthers & tigers to 17 shermans.

The M4 armor was actually superior to the PZ!VH by a decent margin...

The "Easy 8" with the 76mm main gun will be a better indicator...and will allow for the FF to be perked.....as it should be. But the Easy 8 will kill tigers better then the PZIV and it will have a significant edge vs the PZIV....as it should.

soda72 · « **Reply #29 on:** June 14, 2007, 03:32:02 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by Lusche
Perking the Panzer & T34? Is there any reason for it?
That's as if you would perk every fighter in the game, leaving noobs only to fly buffs and goons. Or in this case, M8's. Defenitely no fun.

I'd also go for reseting a players perks to zero every three hours the player is on-line. Now that would make things interesting...