Perk The Sherman!!!!!

[BaDkaRmA158Th]

It can be done

Just not by a few mindless tanks trying to defend a location against tanks that can pop them in 1 hit. With all armor, aim & timing and stealth is key.

Anyone driving top gear, tryin' to take pot shots at a enemy "who now knows exactly where they are because of the incoming round" is total stupidity.
Remember, the FF would stay put,as the sharmans rushed the target.
 Well we dont have shermans, but like stated before, i would use my m4 buddys as bait as i rushed in and poped them from behind.
 Use your brains and skill to evade if need be, dont take anything head on that has a gun bigger than the m8's otherwise you will end up taking hits, and no armor is god like.

Altho you can always do what i do, find a tank buddy and use him as a meat shield :)Will save you from at least one FF hit,lol.

Ehy,it isnt nice..but if it works..ill assign a Lt. abouttodie if it saves me from being hit. The ground war is your war, play it like a fool and rush in,you can only survive untill that next round takes you out.
Also IF you do have incoming rounds, you Do have time to try and turn your tank to evade the round.
 Time them, and you can close to stupid ranges quickly even in a m8,all while your enemy slings shell after shell to your left and right sides.
It works, with skill and good timing.


That is all.

[humble]

If you imagined a battery of shore guns (lets say 16) with preranged coordinates and an observer that could range from your "spawn" all the way in to your target base that would approximate the realities. would they fire on single targets....normally not. But IRL no armor (or infantry) was safe as long as the enemy artillary was active. Artillary was much more effective then airpower and by far the biggest single cause of casualties on all sides. In fact a real good approximation would be to view the shore batteries as pillboxes and create some overlooking town/bridge approaches from various spawns...and or overlooking some spawns for protection. Try camping a few times with an 8 in gun looking down on you:)

[Softail]

Originally posted by crockett
I just wonder if the armor on a FF was better than the armor on a Panzer in real life. (I dunno much about the tanks in real life, but I don't think it was)

 

The M4's armour thickness was:  Front:  Turret 76mm, 51mm hull.  Side armor: 51mm (turret) 38mm hull.   Rear 51mm Turret, 38 hull.  Top: 25mm turret, 13-25mm hull.

The Sherman (51mm) side armor  was sufficient to save the crew from small arms fire and light artillery, but left the Sherman terribly vulnerable to the high velocity 75mm and 88mm guns carried by the German Mark IV, Panther and Tiger tanks.  

The Panzer IV armour:  Front: 50mm Hull + sloping, 50mm Turret.  Sides: 50mm turret and hull,  Rear: 30mm.

The Tiger I has armour thickness of:  Front: 120 Turret, 100mm on hull and superstructure).  Sides: 80mm onturret and superstructure, 60mm hull.  Rear:  80mm turret and hull.  26mm on the turret top.

I don't mind so much the 17 pounder gun taking out Panzers and Tigers tanks at up 3K+ on front armour!  What I take exception at is the incredible number of ricochets the M4 now garners from both Panzer and Tiger!   When they were first put into the game, one ping on an M4 from either a Tiger or Panzer and poof it was gone.  Now, I have recorded up to 8 ricochets off of a panzer at less than 2K distance!!  

Softail

[Lusche]

Originally posted by Softail

The Panzer IV armour:  Front: 50mm Hull + sloping, 50mm Turret.  Sides: 50mm turret and hull,  Rear: 30mm
Softail

We have the Panzer IV Ausf.H which has 80mm armor at front hull.

[Larry]

Click Here for AHs tank armor info.

[Hoffman]

Yeah but has anyone actually ever seen a Sherman up close and personal?

They are humongous... huge... bigger 'n all out doors and usually with a giant star painted on the front like a Bull's Eye.

Hell the Sherman is probably bigger than the Abrams, and with what? An Inch and a half or so of steel armor on front?  Its a beautiful target, seeing the Sherman at the Benning Inf. Museum, the Sherman they have at the Camp Mabry TNG Museum...  Hell the Sherman makes an insanely wondrous target.  Great for infantry to hide behind... bad for hiding the tank itself.

1 HE round from a Tiger should obliterate a Sherman for 3 reasons.

The 88's Gun velocity will pierce a Sherman's Armor with ease.

They didn't exactly have blast shielded ammo bays back in the 40's, shells were everywhere and a ricochet could easily set them off.

Shermans ran on Gasoline.  Any hit with HE to the engine, fuel line, or fuel tanks and the sherman goes up in flames, soon after the ammo detonates.

Has anyone looked inside the turret of the Sherman ingame?  There's ammo stacked up in the walls, in the turret... everywhere the thing is practically a lightly armored bomb waiting to explode.


Personally I think its effectiveness is overstated in the game.
The Firefly is a specialist model that was not used overmuch in real life, similar to the modified Stugs under Hans Von Luck's Command during GoodWood.
And yet it is seen almost as an MBT and deployed by the thousands.
Perking it would be a good idea, a comparable but not as severe perk as the Tiger would work.  As it is it takes at least a half decent Tanker to get a Tiger and they're not invincible especially against a decent Tanker.

The only modification to the actual tank I would like to see is my 88 shells not bouncing off the front armor of the Sherman.

[Hades55]

Shermans armor ? now that was a joke

Cannon yes, but not armor.   forget it.

Sherman was a wrong of armchair gens who the only battle field
they had see, was in films.
A wrong who had cost thousands and thousands deaths of
 unsuspected crew soldiers who was dying like flies to kill
just one tiger.

This was a crime hidden inside the glory of the final victory.

I would execute @ 6 metres these fat tulips without second thought.

The first *real tank* of usarmy was the m25. But then the war had ended.

[humble]

Actually the sherman armor was just fine for a 42 tank....just not for the tiger/panther. The sherman actually had excellent sloping on its front armor. It did have a high profile and there for easier to see and hit. Most tanks ran on gas....which had no effect on "flamibility" which was a function of ammo storage more then anything else. FF was not that uncommon (2,200+ total)




This is an "easy 8", notice how well sloped the front armor is and how much of the turret front the rounded mantlet covers...also the "rounded" nature of the turret...that why you have the high richocet #'s...very similiar to the T-34 in alot of ways. Was it great tank, hardly....but its not a bad match up for the PZIV at all....