U.S. planes in a furball.

[evenhaim]

p51 pwns all:cool:

[Widewing]

Originally posted by AKDogg

Now as for ripping wings off a hog, I have never ripped any wings off one yet.  I have taking a -1 hog to 620mph and pulled out and almost at black out.  Now the -1 locks up at that speed so u have to use trim to get it to pull out but once its down to 610, u can pull back on stick to continue to pull out.

My problem with this is that the F4U-1 (or any other prop fighter) can't attain 620 mph. 601, even 603 (headed to an auger), but nowhere near 620 mph. There's quite a few that can manage between 598 and 602 mph, but none can reach 620 mph. I suspect your are basing your speed estimate on the air speed indicator. To obtain accurate speed data, E6B must be used.

Other than that, I agree that the F4Us are outstanding divers..

One plane that has utterly wrong dive modeling is the Typhoon. It does not begin to compress until about 550 mph. In reality, the Typhoon's critical Mach was similar to that of the P-38 and should begin buffeting far sooner at much lower speeds.

My regards,

Widewing

[Saxman]

I think Typhoons/Tempests have problems beyond simply compressibility...

Like the one dropping on me a couple weeks back in a screaming dive from my 7o'clock at ~400+ mph, I pull up and break into him, and LITERALLY watch him in my rear view almost seem to stop, rotate, and settle in on my six matching airspeeds in literally about a second.

[DaddyAck]

Originally posted by Saxman
DaddyAck, couple points on the F4Us:

That big radial engine helps give the Hog a lot of speed, but NOT a lot of acceleration. It's powerful but adds a lot to drag, which combined with the Hog's mass limits the acceleration. Unless you're nose-down, you're not gonna win the short drag.

If you're shedding wings in high-speed dives with the 1A you're doing something wrong. I've made full-power WEP-on dives in the 1A at airspeeds well exceeding 500mph with high-G blackout-inducing pullouts and not once lost parts.

Also, you don't want to use your gear for extended periods (some guys will say at all) in a furball. They help you slow down, that's all, and add nothing themselves to the F4U's turning ability. I rarely kick them out for more than half a second, the exception being my initial dive through to avoid overspeed.

I don't leave the gears out all the time, just when a little more stopping power is needed then back up they go, If it sounded like I meant otherwise I am sorry for the mix up

I swear to you, the F4u-1 (I like the F4U-1 alot as well)  I can burn the wing tanks off and dive all I want to then pull out without any part loss, the f4u1a on the other hand as I said  the wings rip in half and Im stuck limping back RTB with clipped wings.

As to the radial engine it has speed yes, but I never meant to imply its use as a sprint style acceleration plane.  It is fast just not off the line so to speak. So if I sounded like I said it did accelerate quickly, that was not my intent.

[DaddyAck]

Originally posted by AKDogg
This is where u are wrong about having only 1 tank.  -1 is better to fly into a furball.  U have 3 tanks.  If your main gets hit, u got 2 other fuel tanks to get u home.  Now the -1 I fly with 75% fuel all the time unless I doing bomber escort which then I still take 75% fuel and DT.  75% alone in a -1 will give u 39 mins of flight time.  Problem with -1 is if u take 50% fuel, then your wing tanks are empty.  This is where the -1a comes in handy also for furballs.  No matter what full load out u take.  It puts fuel in all tanks.  But the downside to that is u have to burn the wing tanks to lighten the wing loading to make it roll faster.  -1 hog with 75% fuel has wing tanks alrdy at 25% which is low enough to manev.  It will also get u home a full sector +.  So when my main tank is empty, that my que to go home.

Now as for ripping wings off a hog, I have never ripped any wings off one yet.  I have taking a -1 hog to 620mph and pulled out and almost at black out.  Now the -1 locks up at that speed so u have to use trim to get it to pull out but once its down to 610, u can pull back on stick to continue to pull out.

My choice of the D-hog is a matter of preference, I also enjoy the F4U-1 (I do manually burn down the wing tanks in it first and leave around 1/8 - 1/4 in them) but my ultimate favorite hog is the perked F4U-4.  While you make a valid point about the multiple tanks, one which I agree with to a point.  I personally do not worry about having only one tank, which is again not my take on gospel truth but merely my preference.

For the wing ripping thing, maby I did not phrase it right, they do not sheer off whole.  They rater brake pff just slightly after the gull wing bend of the wing if that makes sense.  I can still RTB safely most of the time, it is just annoying.  I have made dives at more moderate speeds in an 1A  and was fine, but if I get too agressive and try to fly it like a D-hog rip goes my wing tips.  I personally do not like to fly the 1A, that just preference.

[PanzerIV]

i like the P40s although i usually flinch at slow planes! thats a funny skin(the Fester one, but I like it).

[Oldman731]

Originally posted by tommygun
What is the best U.S. fighter to use against the Spits and Zero's in a furball.

Tough question.  Really, there are no US fighters that can turn with these two planes.  FM2, 38G, F4F are probably the closest, but all three will die if pilots are equal.

Use historic tactics (well...OK...historic against the Zeke, at least) when flying US planes against Spit and Zeke.  Stay fast, keep your separation, work the energy fight, use your long-range guns.  Corsairs, Hellcats, 51s all work just fine for this.

- oldman

[Chinchy]

the mossy will outpower and outfly a p38 if its used right in fact a mossy an outfly anything aslong as you keep its E up run it on a 25% tank
and it flys at 400-480 at cruse speed

[Platano]

Originally posted by Chinchy
the mossy will outpower and outfly a p38 if its used right in fact a mossy an outfly anything aslong as you keep its E up run it on a 25% tank
and it flys at 400-480 at cruse speed

outfly anything????

[Widewing]

Originally posted by Chinchy
the mossy will outpower and outfly a p38 if its used right in fact a mossy an outfly anything aslong as you keep its E up run it on a 25% tank
and it flys at 400-480 at cruse speed

Ahh, no....  Read this, and this.

Within the game, the Mosquito Mk.IV is an effective fighter-bomber, but generally over-matched against fighters.... Max speed is not very good, well below the P-38s.

My regards,

Widewing

[Hoarach]

Originally posted by Chinchy
the mossy will outpower and outfly a p38 if its used right in fact a mossy an outfly anything aslong as you keep its E up run it on a 25% tank
and it flys at 400-480 at cruse speed

That mossie is meat for the p38.  Even a well flown mossie will have trouble with a 38.

[Fulmar]

Originally posted by Chinchy
the mossy will outpower and outfly a p38 if its used right in fact a mossy an outfly anything aslong as................

I think in every thread that calls for one stating their opinion on their favorite plane has several of these posts in it.  "Well my plane X can outfly anything as long as you fly it right."

And if flying it right means not augering and banking on the other pilot is in a full body cast, then yes this statement is true.

[CAP1]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Taking the lighter ammo load will not give you any appreciable benefits that makes taking the lighter load worthwhile.  
wouldn't the resulting lighter weight in the front of the aircraft significantly improve its turning ability?

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[Movie]

Originally posted by tommygun
What is the best U.S. fighter to use against the Spits and Zero's in a furball. They turn so well and I inevitably get lower and slower as I fight.
I want to fly a U.S. plane and am flying well enough now to get about one kill for every 1 and 1/2 deaths.

For any Spitfire you will have to use the FM2 Wildcat thats a bad boy at turning but beware. Japs either get them good while turning with those 6 or 8 50 cals or just BnZ all day long fun too.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by CAP1
wouldn't the resulting lighter weight in the front of the aircraft significantly improve its turning ability?

Not in any appreciable way that will gain you any sort of advantage, at least in AH it won't.


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