Author Topic: Pretty please dear HTC gods... (Read 1381 times)

Lusche · « **Reply #15 on:** June 15, 2007, 12:13:44 PM »

Odin,

Sigh... you have much to learn young Jedi.
That's not the supposed conduct on this BBS

You have to call my sources "questionable", I will then doubt your ability to read. You will cite more vets, making up some statements as needed. I will frantically start to cut at paste even more, finally even from Wikipedia. You will call me names, I will call you names. Finally we both will compare each other with Krusty. At that point either one or both of us are PNG'd or we mutually add each other to our BBS ignore filters.

Until you have learned that, I will give you a

Krusty · « **Reply #16 on:** June 15, 2007, 02:00:19 PM »

I have nothing to do with this, so please don't slander my name like that.

For the record, Lusche is right, it's been thoroughly debunked regarding 50cals that could penetrate tank armor (especially if bounced).

Rino · « **Reply #17 on:** June 17, 2007, 08:05:32 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
I have nothing to do with this, so please don't slander my name like that.

For the record, Lusche is right, it's been thoroughly debunked regarding 50cals that could penetrate tank armor (especially if bounced).

50s work just fine on fuel bowsers and ammo trucks...locomotives too..
without which the panzers would have a difficult time getting to or
sustaining combat. Of course these things are not modelled, so maybe
the mg damage thing is a nod towards reality without extreme modelling
changes.

Not saying I like getting 75mm assists as much as the next guy, but I
realize there has to be some compromises for playability.

I also wonder where they stored the 1000+ rounds of 37mm in the osty
as well....but since I can barely hit the ground with them, I'll let that go too

B@tfinkV · « **Reply #18 on:** June 17, 2007, 10:32:22 PM »

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Originally posted by Furball
Even if you bounce the 50's off the roads...?

you beat me to it

Lusche · « **Reply #19 on:** June 18, 2007, 07:16:17 AM »

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Originally posted by Rino
50s work just fine on fuel bowsers and ammo trucks...locomotives too..
without which the panzers would have a difficult time getting to or
sustaining combat. Of course these things are not modelled, so maybe
the mg damage thing is a nod towards reality without extreme modelling
changes.

But I could at leat understand getting credit for a kill in a MG armed plane IF there was any vital damage to the tank. But there isn't in this game. You just get the kill credit, even though you didn't hurt the tank at all.
Was funny again yesterday, a base without ords was under GV attack. I saw seven people upping. One HurriD, one Il-2. The rest were La's and Ponys eagerly strafing the incoming tanks.
And as long the people get the kill credit, they will continue to believe that they really did kill the Tiger with their .50cals

Kweassa · « **Reply #20 on:** June 18, 2007, 09:17:08 AM »

Just do some read up on any of Tony Williams's or Emanuel Gustin's work.

Air-to-ground claims is probably the most inflated and inaccurate battle report during WW2, probably only second to air-to-air bomber gunner claims.

As a whole, the efficiency of aircraft attack against the heavy tanks of WW2 is negligible at best. The best way to take down a tank, is with either a large calibre anti-tank gun, or with another tank.

OdinGrunherze · « **Reply #21 on:** June 18, 2007, 07:27:26 PM »

Are you guys familiar with the phrase; "Talking thru a paper A**hole"...
Just curious??? LOL

OG

Movie · « **Reply #22 on:** June 18, 2007, 07:57:25 PM »

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Originally posted by E25280
I see your desire for it to be "fixed," but the question is, how?

Even using only .50cals, you can eventually track a tank. Having tracked the tank, he is basically a dead duck . . . so, why shouldn't the kill go to the guy who immobilizes the armor?

I agree with the sentiment, especially since it does seem there are a lot of people strafing only to killsteal. But how do you solve the killsteal problem without penalizing the guy who is actually trying to do the right thing? It is a tough one IMO.

true seen multiple a/c strafing them including myself that knock out the tracks thats in my opinion like 2- 3/4 of the kill if not all

Lusche · « **Reply #23 on:** June 18, 2007, 08:25:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Movie
true seen multiple a/c strafing them including myself that knock out the tracks thats in my opinion like 2- 3/4 of the kill if not all

Well that's critical damage and I wouldn't have much problem with that...

SkyGnome · « **Reply #24 on:** June 19, 2007, 11:48:57 AM »

Hmm.. I was about to post something like this, and here's the thread already.

It seems simple, but perhaps there's something odd in the GV damage model. If the projectile failed to damage anything but armor, it should either not count, or count very little.

I'm getting sick of people yelling at me for attacking GVs with my beloved Yak9T, when I just think it's fun and couldn't care less about the kills.

Gulp · « **Reply #25 on:** June 19, 2007, 03:54:16 PM »

As long as strafing can cause damage, people will straff...and probably should straf. It is messed up that straffing w/50 occasionally gets you a kill eventhough the guy was fine until someone popped him with a tank or bombed him.

Not the strafing players fault at all and I can't see discouraging guys from strafing as long as the gv is alive. He could get resupped and pose a threat again so he's fair game and bullets are cheap in here. A turreted tank can still be a problem with a hull gun at an airfield or killing troops.

I don't equate it with shooting at a plane falling from the sky with 1 wing. The damage model is the problem not the strafers.

That said, I'm sure there are some guys that straf w/MGs knowing it's sorta futile but might result in a kill msg. I would bet the other 90% feel they are damaging something and just having fun shooting at GVs w/o a care in the world regarding whether or not they get the kill.