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Offline Blimpy

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Il-2 tactics
« on: June 18, 2007, 01:26:18 PM »
The Il-2 is my favorite and  almost only ride, for the last 3 years.
I'll admit to being addicted to this flying tank and Jabo in general.
She is not a glamorous bird by any stretch..  Yes, she is slow and handles like a sofa in many situations.  But there is nothing quite as satisfying for me as downing a hot shot p-51 or La that overshoots the surisingly slow Il and ends up in my crosshairs.  
Her advantages are the thick armor, tight turning radius and heavy cannons, 6 bomb load out and relatively accurate rockets.
Her disadvantages are her slow speed, weak tail, and poor rear armament
 
Usually I am the only Il-2 i see in the course of the evening, so I thought It might help to share a few tricks I have picked up to encourage others to fly this armored tub a little more often.

 I fly against V bases and GV targets, which will soon up osti's when they realize some nutbar is attacking with an Il.  Because of it's very slow, large target, nature, the Il is an osti gunners dream.  Conventional dive bombing tactics perfectly suited to most planes are suicide in an Il attacking an osti,so here is a workable and fun alternative.  

Defeat the Osti.

Once  you have located the osti,  fly away from him, making it look like you've gone off someplace else.  Once out of visual range, descend to treetop level and use the topography to your advantage to stay out of sight as you work your way back towards to osti.  Approach from a different direction than he saw you leave in, as surprise is everything.  Even though shes a slow ride, it doesn't seem like it when you are screaming between the trees toward a waiting osti.   Often the target is distracted at this point with another plane, so pinpointing its location is even easier.  Regardless, come in low, like 5 feet above the ground, just high enough to save the prop and line up on the target.  At 600 yards  open up with cannons and machine guns. If he hasn't seen you its too late now.  Usually you'll get his turret, and can finish him with a bomb a la  dive bomber style at your leisure.
I should mention that I set the convergence at about 375 for the cannons when attacking in this style.  Extreme range convergence is preferred for engaging air targets, light gvs and base flak, but gives poor results against armored targets.

Using Rockets

The Il has good rocket accuracy in comparison to other planes and the rs-132 warhead will blow up a Pnzr with a dircet hit, or light gv with a close hit.
The reason the rockets are more reliable is the Il's inherently slow speed.  
Like all things it take some practice to get it right but heres how I do it.

Switch to outside view and line up on a (preferrably stationary) target.  Provided you are traveling in the 150 to 200 speed range wait until the target is in the 800 range and  slightly below the nose of the plane, then let fly.  Watch the trail of the rocket. At 800 range, 150 to 200 speed the missile will land directly under the nose of the plane.  At closer ranges the missle will land  either to the left or right of center depending on which side of the plane it was fired from.  Fire one rocket at a pass.  Watch the arc of the rocket and correct accordingly.  The rocket will arc like a 3 point shot from the top of the key, its important to remember this when planning a firing solution.  

At greater speeds or angles I wait until within 600-400 and then line up the rocket on the wings with the target on the ground and let fly.  

This works well for me, I can usually claim one kill or disable at least for the 4 rockets.

As yet I have not been able to kill a Sherman with rockets or cannon, only track them.  But theoretically the Sherman should have thinner armor than the PNZR so I'll keep on trying.

Well there are a few things anyway, I'd love to hear from anybody else who flys this plane and would like to share a few tricks or tactics.














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Re: Il-2 tactics
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2007, 01:50:25 PM »
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As yet I have not been able to kill a Sherman with rockets or cannon, only track them.  But theoretically the Sherman should have thinner armor than the PNZR so I'll keep on trying.


Shermans are easy prey for Il-2 cannons. You just have to go into a steep dive and hit 'em on top deck, preferably right behind turret:



The steeper your dive is,  the higher the chance your bullets will penetrate the armor. I would suggest to shoot with cannons only, as the MGs only clutter your view without any additional damage to the tank.
Also dont shoot from too far out, but watch your alt! The most common death to Il2s and HurriD's in this game is death by augering ;)
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« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2007, 01:56:52 PM »
awesome, i've just been tracking them because i couldn't find that sweet spot.

This the first Tour i have put a lot of time in an IL2 and it's my leading kill machine right now.

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« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2007, 02:42:51 PM »
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As yet I have not been able to kill a Sherman with rockets or cannon, only track them.  But theoretically the Sherman should have thinner armor than the PNZR so I'll keep on trying.


Common mis-conception.

The Firelfy's armour is actually slightly thicker than the Panzer IV.


I'll add - IL-2 is great as a cap buster also, if you can get enough guys to up them.
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« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2007, 04:11:09 PM »
I find that flying the hurri with the 40mm in the same manner as discribed above, has made me a better pilot, as I have learnd from experience to fly at low altitude.
Ive learned when the last possible second is that I can pull out of my dive, add to that pulling throttle and lowering my energy state compaired to that of my nme's, and you get alot of proxys from the nme smacking into the ground.

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« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2007, 04:20:08 PM »
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Common mis-conception.

The Firelfy's armour is actually slightly thicker than the Panzer IV.
 


And actually the armor is thicker at exact the right spot to foil the usual IL-2 tactic of killing tanks with guns:

Panzer IV hull rear armor: 20mm
Sherman VC hull rear armor: 38mm

Panzer IV turret rear armor: 30mm
Sherman VC turret rear armor: 38mm

Panzer IV hull top armor: 12mm
Sherman VC hull top armor: 19mm
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« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2007, 05:49:47 PM »
u can kill any tank in 1 shot u just need to know the place, and i wot tell:p

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« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2007, 07:05:22 PM »
With your spelling, even if you told us where the secret spot is, it would still be a secret.

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« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2007, 07:49:03 PM »
Thanks for the Pinpoint info Lusche!  I'll be trying that one this evening, for sure.  As far as I know, no such soft point exists for the tiger, but maybe you know the magic formula for him as well!:D

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« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2007, 08:20:11 PM »
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Thanks for the Pinpoint info Lusche!  I'll be trying that one this evening, for sure.  As far as I know, no such soft point exists for the tiger, but maybe you know the magic formula for him as well!:D


Actually,  you don't need to hit exact that point, but it's the point you should aim at. For me, it works best if I attack more from one of the sides than from the rear (but still diving at a steep angle).

The magic formular for the Tiger: Don't use a Il2, use a  Hurri D. Similar tactic, but you have to dive almost vertical onto your target. Much higher chance to auger.
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« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2007, 04:21:13 AM »
Good tips, except for the use of external views that should be disabled.
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« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2007, 06:54:57 PM »
My favorite thing to do with the IL-2 is to attract all those hotshot pilots and hit them with the rear turret or let them over shoot. the one thing that you have to watch out for when you are manning the rear turret is that you stay as low to the ground as possible. if you leave any room for your pursuer to get under you,  you will find that the turret does not depress past the horizon. that leaves you open for your pursuer to knock off your tail or do in with the rear turret.

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« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2007, 07:02:26 PM »
The moment I see fire from Il-2 rear gun cause the pilot switched there, I know I have won.
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« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2007, 09:03:28 AM »
The Il's rear gun would be a lot more dangerous with a double mount, rather than the single it has.  As far as size goes its 13.7 mil is more than capable of damaging/disabling attacking planes if you can get a few hits on the engine or pilot.  However the single mount lacks the punch to actually take down the attacker.  In the 3 years I have played I have successfully killed maybe 5 planes from the tail gunners position, but disabled hundreds who lose their oil, rad, or pilot after I've been shot down.  As a rule the tail gun is a last stand, or suicide, position, used only after a nimble enemy has firmly latched on (La-7, clever spit) and knows how to play the ultra slow game so they won't overshoot.
  However the rear gun is also useful as a snap shot position when turning tightly after a target passes close by.   This works well on spits, especially if they are trying to affix themselves to your butt and are moving slowly.  But forget racking up the kills from the tail gunners seat, a few pings is about all you can hope for.