No your correct, they are almost nonexistant. Recently though alot of stuff has been done specific to Vista and DRM...if you look at the link i posted below there are now viruses that can completely take over a Vista system. As a side note my system will not allow me to flash the bios via windows. If I try and execute the program via the proscribed root it wont run...if I "sneak attack" it then it denies the flash. At this point I think I'll get a new MB...this one was a frys bundle special anyway. Perplexing problem....would be fun if it wasnt such a pain in the butt.....