Author Topic: Tax Evaders Challenge Feds (Read 2046 times)

storch · « **Reply #75 on:** June 23, 2007, 12:47:18 PM »

august 1992 so yes it was bush 41

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #76 on:** June 23, 2007, 01:06:37 PM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
You yourself have said that it is greed that makes this country great.

When?

More likely, if you look, you'll find where I've stated repeatedly greed is what will help bring about the downfall of the country.

Feel free to quote where I said greed makes this country great. Because I must have made a typo.

There's a big difference between greed and ambition, drive, or the pursuit of success.

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #77 on:** June 23, 2007, 01:14:06 PM »

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Originally posted by storch
august 1992 so yes it was bush 41

I don't know when the investigations actually ended. The event itself happened during the 1st Bush administration. I'm sure the investigations went on for 2-3 years or so.

In any event, both that operation and Waco were ill conceived and poorly executed. Inexcusably so. But then the BATFE never has been the pinnacle of brilliance and strategy. More like the prime example of heavy handed arrogance, ignorance, and overzealousness. It doesn't help that they've been able to drag the FBI and the U.S. Marshalls down to their level.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #78 on:** June 23, 2007, 02:37:41 PM »

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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
When?

More likely, if you look, you'll find where I've stated repeatedly greed is what will help bring about the downfall of the country.

Feel free to quote where I said greed makes this country great. Because I must have made a typo.

There's a big difference between greed and ambition, drive, or the pursuit of success.

Hmm, might have been Holden then...

Elfie · « **Reply #79 on:** June 23, 2007, 03:00:35 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
the tax for a sawed off shotgun (below 18") is $5 if you pass all the other paperwork. Weaver claimed that he measured well... essentialy... a $5 OR 3/8" mistake cost his family their lives.

Does anyone here feel safer and better that $5 tax dodge or a 17" shotgun are worth killing a family over? Does that seem like a just way for a government to act?

lazs

I didn't know there was a $5 fee associated with the paperwork for a sawed off shotgun.

Weaver also claimed that the undercover agent cut the barrels again to make them illegal. We will never know the truth of it. Yet when you consider how federal agents acted throughout the entire sequence of events it is at least possible that Weaver was telling the truth.

Elfie · « **Reply #80 on:** June 23, 2007, 03:08:12 PM »

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Storch, unless my memory fails me, Ruby Ridge happened during the Bush I administration, although possibly the investigations may not have ended until after Clinton was sworn in.

The siege at Ruby Ridge started on August 21 1992, which as you stated, was during the administration of Bush Sr. It also puts most of the investigation time under the Clinton administration.

The US Senate held hearings in September 1995 and released a report in December of that same year.

McFarland · « **Reply #81 on:** June 23, 2007, 06:47:14 PM »

I know several things about government:

A. Never trust them. Time and time again, they have covered up evidence, lied, and cheated to get out of hot water.

B. All they really care about i$ your money. They tax your food, your income, your land, your cars, anything you buy, your mail, your license plates, and whatever else they find out you have. If you want to make money running a business, so do they. 'Hey, you need a business license.' 'Hey, pay your taxes on that gas.' 'Hey, your making money? guess what, we get some of it!'

C. They will do whatever it takes to steal your money. They will kill, lie, cheat, and steal anything and everything you have.

These people were right in what they done.

Quote from: Sundowner

From behind the 8-inch concrete walls of their 110-acre hilltop compound

So they got a layer of cinder blocks, big deal, MOST HOUSES DO. And 110 acres is not a lot of land, you can hardly graze 50 head on that, and you can't really put a millitary base on it, which is what they are acting like this place is. Heck, if someone charged me with these things, and then threatened to kill me, I'd do the same thing. This country was founded on the principle of 'by the people, of the people, for the people'. This government wouldn't know that if it bit them. If the founding fathers or even Abe Lincoln knew what has become of this once great country, they'd stand up in their coffins. This country has went to the wolves. Or, to not disgrace wolves, to the feds.

hyena426 · « **Reply #82 on:** June 24, 2007, 08:05:08 AM »

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From behind the 8-inch concrete walls of their 110-acre hilltop compound

wow 8 inches of concrete! what will the goverment do now? hehe.. i seen goverment footage on the history channel of a guy with one m-14 with a 20 round clip and tungsten filled bullets knock down a 4 brick thick wall..i about say about 20 to 30 inch thick brick wall with one clip of ammo..lol i love the spin the media puts on things .

lazs2 · « **Reply #83 on:** June 24, 2007, 10:02:18 AM »

the government needs to convince us to think like storch... that they are not the enemy but that the enemy is every other citizen. That is the beauty of a tax that is complex.. everyone can be seen to get more... or get less.. or pay more or pay less than... everyone else.

everyone is your enemy.. they are all getting away with something and only the government can save you. Only the government can make sure you get your fair share of everyone elses stuff.

lazs

moot · « **Reply #84 on:** June 24, 2007, 12:13:56 PM »

What would anyone do without government to hold their hand and walk them through their own life?

Thank you Government, taxes for things never used, bloated mismanagement, snail-paced bureaucracy, mindless political posturing, constitutional disloyalty, iron fisted repression of deviance! It's so glorious I can't hold back the joy

More government, more Hillaries, more BS hand-wringing speeches, please!

storch · « **Reply #85 on:** June 24, 2007, 03:09:23 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
the government needs to convince us to think like storch... that they are not the enemy but that the enemy is every other citizen. That is the beauty of a tax that is complex.. everyone can be seen to get more... or get less.. or pay more or pay less than... everyone else.

everyone is your enemy.. they are all getting away with something and only the government can save you. Only the government can make sure you get your fair share of everyone elses stuff.

lazs

just pay your taxes and learn spanish you'll be fine.

ChickenHawk · « **Reply #86 on:** October 05, 2007, 11:40:41 AM »

The jig is up.

Bravo to law enforcement for biding their time and not causing another ruby ridge like incident.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #87 on:** October 05, 2007, 11:43:36 AM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Hmm, might have been Holden then...

I never said that. I did quote Gordon Gecko a few times though.

Curval · « **Reply #88 on:** October 05, 2007, 12:04:06 PM »

That most recent link claims they owed $1.9Million in taxes. That is a far cry from a $5 tax on a shotgun.

storch · « **Reply #89 on:** October 05, 2007, 12:21:52 PM »

and there you have it, we all have a moral obligation to fund this society. only a sociopath thinks they have no responsibility in shouldering the load.