Author Topic: Toolsheders vs Furballers a solution (Read 2658 times)

vorticon · « **Reply #15 on:** June 19, 2007, 09:24:30 PM »

i thought this type of thread was long dead...

*grabs popcorn*

Max · « **Reply #16 on:** June 19, 2007, 09:40:04 PM »

Great concept but my guess is, it would be hard to COAD.

Shifty · « **Reply #17 on:** June 19, 2007, 09:50:28 PM »

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Originally posted by BaldEagl
If the intent isn't to work toward capture of an enemy base then bombers should be eliminated from the game for fear that you're ruining some fighter dudes fun.

Even if the base is taken the furball will redevelop in another location.

Eagle you may be taking the thread too serious. The intent is what each individual makes of it. Youre right a furball will develop somewhere else, in the same light, theres other targets available not just the one where people are furballing.

You can tell a furball base from a base under attack. If you see a big fight between two bases, and nobodys pushing into the enemy base to strafe down ack and hangers. It's been there a while and all the planes stay pretty much between the bases you can bet it's a furball. I'm not knocking you bomber guys that are out there fighting the war, give em hell!

JimmyZ · « **Reply #18 on:** June 20, 2007, 01:01:42 AM »

Did you all agree to just dogfight in that area over 200? If you all agreed, on both sides, not to bring ord, then you have a basis for an argument. If you all just met up there, them on their way to take the base and you upping to defend it, then you don't have a true furball. Why is it not a furball, you ask? Because it's what we call a fight. Not all of us agreed to a furball. Some of us are there to facilitate capture. We can't do that if you keep upping, hence the blasting of the hangars.

Don't assume just because you feel like furballing, that everyone else is there for the same thing. Stop assuming it's all about you. You're not the General. Stop thinking you have the right to tell anyone how to play. You're not special. We're not here for your amusement. We're not here for your score. We're here for ourselves, the GVers, the cherry pickers, the toolshedders, the landgrabbers and even those who do a little of everything. We all play in the main. There are two arenas especially for the furballers only crowd, stop

and go play in them.

To those who would suggest eliminating/limiting buffs, them being what brought me to and keeps me playing this game, let me put this in the nicest way possible,
"

".

JimmyZ,

Buff Driver

BaldEagl · « **Reply #19 on:** June 20, 2007, 01:10:05 AM »

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Originally posted by Shifty
Eagle you may be taking the thread too serious. The intent is what each individual makes of it. Youre right a furball will develop somewhere else, in the same light, theres other targets available not just the one where people are furballing.

No, I like to furball myself sometimes. I was just pointing out that those buff guys, for the most part, probably don't realize they are ruining someone elses fun. In fact they probably think they are helping like I used to.

hubsonfire · « **Reply #20 on:** June 20, 2007, 01:18:25 AM »

I think it's more aimed at the guys like jimmy than your average AHer who's just along for the fun.

JimmyZ · « **Reply #21 on:** June 20, 2007, 02:55:34 AM »

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Originally posted by Shifty
Eagle you may be taking the thread too serious. The intent is what each individual makes of it. Youre right a furball will develop somewhere else, in the same light, theres other targets available not just the one where people are furballing.

You can tell a furball base from a base under attack. If you see a big fight between two bases, and nobodys pushing into the enemy base to strafe down ack and hangers. It's been there a while and all the planes stay pretty much between the bases you can bet it's a furball. I'm not knocking you bomber guys that are out there fighting the war, give em hell!

One side may be indeed be having fun "furballing". What you don't realize, is that over on our country channel, which you're not privy to, 15 people are yelling and screaming for the last building to get knocked down, the goons' running low on fuel and the heavies are getting blasted to bits by the other side while trying to get to the city to effect the capture because nobody on our side is covering them anymore because they're returning to base to land their 2 kills in an LA so they can get their attaboys. Which goes back to my argument, that not everyone is playing the game exactly the same way, for the same end results.

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Originally posted by hubsonfire
I think it's more aimed at the guys like jimmy than your average AHer who's just along for the fun.

And how the hell do you know how i fly DVB? Don't ever remember seeing your name in game? Seen your name on here quite often, though. Almost every thread mentioning buffs. You want 'em out of the game, we get it.
Heres a thought though. Seeing a troublesome pattern here on this board that i saw once before. Don't know if you or any of your squad are in any way affiliated with the WBs BK DVBs. If they are, ask them why most of the dedicated buff squads left there en masse and either quit flight sims altogether or came here. You might begin to understand why my last sentence was less than nice.

Angry Samoan · « **Reply #22 on:** June 20, 2007, 05:18:06 AM »

deja vue

Booz · « **Reply #23 on:** June 20, 2007, 05:38:20 AM »

The tools to stop bombers have always existed, you just have to choose to use them.

Xargos · « **Reply #24 on:** June 20, 2007, 05:59:56 AM »

You don't know who Hub is?

You give us the middle finger and then get upset over what Hub said...how lame can you be.

Anyone · « **Reply #25 on:** June 20, 2007, 06:41:19 AM »

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Originally posted by Booz
The tools to stop bombers have always existed, you just have to choose to use them.

exactly....

shoot the buffs down and theres no problem

instead whine here and hope something is done about it...

Xargos · « **Reply #26 on:** June 20, 2007, 06:53:28 AM »

It is impossible to get to 30K in time to shoot buffs down once you see them on radar. So this BS about us not going after the buffs is just that...BS. We need 163s at every base to gain alt in time.

Ghosth · « **Reply #27 on:** June 20, 2007, 07:22:24 AM »

Most buffs don't fly at 30k Xargos as you very well know.

The majority nowdays don't even climb to 10k. A few smart ones will grab to 15k if they headed into well populated country.

So if you stay up around 8 - 10k and cruise for buffs, they are ussually not that hard to find. Granted its not as exciting as being 3rd man back in a 7 man conga line chasing that lone P51. But it has its own rewards.

The vast majority of bomber pilots are not griefers, they are just trying to have some fun while doing their bit for the war effort. But these accusations have been flying around so much for the last 2 years that I never hit a target at a enemy field anymore. I may hit his city, or smack a strat object. But I'm tired of getting yelled at just because I felt like a bomber sortie and someone wanted (insert field target) up after the capture. EXCUSE ME, pardon me for living even.

Bombers may not have won the war, but they were a hugely significant part of it. Yet the AH community for the most part has been treating bombers like second rate citizens for the last couple years. Maybe its time for the bombers to shut down all the furballs until it changes.

Stick that in your pipe & smoke it!

Xargos · « **Reply #28 on:** June 20, 2007, 07:29:25 AM »

I think the best thing to do is have three basses near each other, one for each country, that have indestructible fighter hangers and can't be captured. They would also need indestructible ack to prevent vultures.

P.S. This is Aces High not Bomber Command. I pay to furball, not to protect basses from those who want to ruin other peoples fun.

Shifty · « **Reply #29 on:** June 20, 2007, 07:43:00 AM »

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Originally posted by JimmyZ
Did you all agree to just dogfight in that area over 200? If you all agreed, on both sides, not to bring ord, then you have a basis for an argument. If you all just met up there, them on their way to take the base and you upping to defend it, then you don't have a true furball. Why is it not a furball, you ask? Because it's what we call a fight. Not all of us agreed to a furball. Some of us are there to facilitate capture. We can't do that if you keep upping, hence the blasting of the hangars.

Don't assume just because you feel like furballing, that everyone else is there for the same thing. Stop assuming it's all about you. You're not the General. Stop thinking you have the right to tell anyone how to play. You're not special. We're not here for your amusement. We're not here for your score. We're here for ourselves, the GVers, the cherry pickers, the toolshedders, the landgrabbers and even those who do a little of everything. We all play in the main. There are two arenas especially for the furballers only crowd, stop and go play in them.

To those who would suggest eliminating/limiting buffs, them being what brought me to and keeps me playing this game, let me put this in the nicest way possible,
" ".

JimmyZ, Buff Driver

Nobody suggested eliminating Buffs. So take the two fingers you got up and use them to open the pill bottle. You're obviously overdue for your meds. I hear they want to replace Rosie O'Donnell on The View. You might send them your post from this thread. You'd be a shoe in.