Author Topic: The Constitution can be...... (Read 570 times)

wrag · « **on:** June 23, 2007, 02:43:49 PM »

suspended by a city whenever it wishs???

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56317

I have no probelm with the festival.

BUT?

Suspending the Constitution for the festival??????

"Whenever we take away the liberties of those whom we hate we
are opening the way to loss of liberty for those we love."
Wendell L. Willkie (1892-1944)
Ameican lawyer, businessman, politician

"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his
enemy from oppression."
Thomas Paine (1737-1809)
Anglo-American writer

"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the rights of the people by the gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." James Madison, fourth US president (1751-1836)

“It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people.” —Giordano Bruno

“There is in all of us a strong disposition to believe that anything lawful is also legitimate. This belief is so widespread that many persons have erroneously held that things are ‘just’ because the law makes them so.” —Frederic Bastiat

AKIron · « **Reply #1 on:** June 23, 2007, 02:53:42 PM »

Hard to believe this happened only a year ago in America. Well, maybe it shouldn't be hard to believe.

"Pastor Billy Ball, one of the known five men arrested last year, knows firsthand that rights haven't always mattered at all, no matter their fashion of expression.

Ball was arrested last year for "criminal trespass" after walking, accompanied by several other pastors, within 300 yards of the Dyke Parade. The arresting officer, an avowed lesbian, responded to his inquiries about compelling governmental interest with an angry brush-off: "I'm not taking questions today, I'm giving orders."

Within minutes, five of the men were handcuffed and locked in a stainless steel paddy wagon across the street, where they would wait in 100-plus degree heat until they were paraded through an Atlanta precinct. Ball required medical attention after his stay in the steaming, unventilated paddy wagon, and recalls that the men were required to remain handcuffed even when they needed to use the restroom.

After a night in the Fulton County jail, the men were released under the condition that they notify the city of Atlanta of their whereabouts every month. To Ball's chagrin, the men have not yet been arraigned, their $2 million lawsuit is hung up in red tape, and a year later, the case has not even gone to trial.

Dick Christensen calls the situation, "virtual probation," noting that several of the men have been denied jobs because of their "new prison record."

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #2 on:** June 23, 2007, 03:22:33 PM »

Soon.

Gunthr · « **Reply #3 on:** June 23, 2007, 04:42:43 PM »

sounds to me as if the people who are protesting this event have learned to play the activist's own game. i predict the City of Atlanta will have to pay a significant $$$ award to the plaintiffs, and possibally have some safeguards imposed to prevent future civil rights violations, if indeed these violations occurred.

i can't believe the attempt to suspend the constitution

it certainly does show the liberal mindset

crockett · « **Reply #4 on:** June 23, 2007, 05:40:20 PM »

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Originally posted by Gunthr

i can't believe the attempt to suspend the constitution it certainly does show the liberal mindset

It's always the liberals isn't it?

Guess you forgot about when the Republicans blocked the demonstrations and forced the protesters to stay with in the fenced in area at the Republican National Convention.

Must have been the liberal's fault again..

http://www.usatoday.com/educate/firstamendment/speech_082304.html

Gunthr · « **Reply #5 on:** June 23, 2007, 05:46:28 PM »

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It's always the liberals isn't it?

lol - you said that, not me...

anyway, your cite doesn't show any such declaration of the intention to suspend the Constitution by the conservatives political party. that would be pretty stupid, wouldn't it?

crockett · « **Reply #6 on:** June 24, 2007, 01:01:34 AM »

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Originally posted by Gunthr
lol - you said that, not me...

I assume you don't under stand sarcasm..

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Originally posted by Gunthr
anyway, your cite doesn't show any such declaration of the intention to suspend the Constitution by the conservatives political party. that would be pretty stupid, wouldn't it? [/B]

Neither did the people in Atlanta from what I saw in that video. The right wing news site coined up the "Constitution-free zone" for page views. They told them to protest from across the secret, simple as that.

At the RNC the protesters were put inside a fenced in area which was down the street. How was that not worse than this?

x0847Marine · « **Reply #7 on:** June 24, 2007, 03:40:02 AM »

Talk about drama.

Anyone actually listen to the 'video'? the gays had a permit to rally in the park, the head gay asked the bible thumper to leave or face criminal trespass. Its as simple as that. No constitutional drama, the city didn't suspend jack squat, this is a big pile of nothing.

The permit gave the gays the 'right' to occupy the park to promote gayness, AND to exclude anyone they considered disruptive... or just annoying. Thumper boy and his gospel cronies can get a permit too, occupy the park, praise the lord, and kick out every gay, and yell "neeener neeeener.. now its your turn to stand across the street".

BBBB · « **Reply #8 on:** June 24, 2007, 04:31:44 AM »

Do you ever take the time to read the BS you write x0847Marine? Or do you just type it without thinking? I think breathing that Hollywood air has screwed up your wiring.

As for this story all I can say is, welcome to Atlanta. This is not the first time the city has found it's self getting sued over this stupid stuff. Back durring the 1996 Olympics they tried this "Constitution-free zone" crap. Some homeless were rounded up and taken to jail without charges. A few of them got together and sued the city, which released them from jail and settled the matter out of court.

Note, that all of the police officers there in that video are all women. The fact that the officers are allowing this citizen give orders to fellow citizen shows the type of policing that is going on at one of these events.

to my screwed up home town.

-Spot

wrag · « **Reply #9 on:** June 24, 2007, 04:52:34 AM »

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Originally posted by x0847Marine
Talk about drama.

Anyone actually listen to the 'video'? the gays had a permit to rally in the park, the head gay asked the bible thumper to leave or face criminal trespass. Its as simple as that. No constitutional drama, the city didn't suspend jack squat, this is a big pile of nothing.

The permit gave the gays the 'right' to occupy the park to promote gayness, AND to exclude anyone they considered disruptive... or just annoying. Thumper boy and his gospel cronies can get a permit too, occupy the park, praise the lord, and kick out every gay, and yell "neeener neeeener.. now its your turn to stand across the street".

As I said......

and as the quotes say.........

everyone has freedom or NO ONE has it.

I have no problem with the event.

ALL MUST have rights or NONE have rights!

I do however have a problem with anyone or any city that suspends the Bill of Rights for any reason!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A permit that says you can (exclude) kick anyone out you want? HMMMM...... WOW such power! Where can I get such a permit?

A permit that says I can silence others because I don't want them to speak?

A permit that says I can have them arrested just because their in the area?

A permit that says only MY message may be spoken and NO OTHER?

And I can do it on PUBLIC PROPERTY! On Tax payer funded land!

WOW such a thing! SUCH POWER!

x0847Marine · « **Reply #10 on:** June 24, 2007, 02:22:11 PM »

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Originally posted by BBBB
Do you ever take the time to read the BS you write x0847Marine? Or do you just type it without thinking? I think breathing that Hollywood air has screwed up your wiring.

Nah, I don't read. But what I wrote was what happened, like it or not.

Having a permit is like having permission for a private party in a public place, people can be excluded by the permit holder. End of story. Claiming the constitution is suspended by the city handing out a permit is silly rhetoric.

Its SOP for the police to create a buffer zone between wack-o groups anyway, nothing new here either. Although if I had my way, they'd all be given blunt objects and given the freedom to pummel each other to a pulp.

AKIron · « **Reply #11 on:** June 24, 2007, 04:30:34 PM »

While a permit is typically required for a large gathering at a public park I don't think that automatically grants the right to exclude anyone. Would the police have been so accomdating if the KKK had a permit and demanded a black person be excluded? I think not.

BBBB · « **Reply #12 on:** June 24, 2007, 07:19:10 PM »

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Originally posted by x0847Marine
Nah, I don't read. But what I wrote was what happened, like it or not.

Having a permit is like having permission for a private party in a public place, people can be excluded by the permit holder. End of story. Claiming the constitution is suspended by the city handing out a permit is silly rhetoric.

Its SOP for the police to create a buffer zone between wack-o groups anyway, nothing new here either. Although if I had my way, they'd all be given blunt objects and given the freedom to pummel each other to a pulp.

Show me the buffer in that video? The police officer was not doing her job. She was allowing the event to spill out into the street. You can't say some ppl can walk down this sidewalk while others can not. The gay party is in the park. That street they were on was about a mile from the party. Those guys were across the street from the entry area to the park. They were not hurting anyone.

I find it hard sometimes to read the stuff you write. You make no sense sometimes, it seems more the ramblings of a spoiled child, than that of an ex-Marine.

-Spot

bustr · « **Reply #13 on:** June 25, 2007, 05:29:43 AM »

I'm not sure everyone actually read the full article or xMarine is talking about informal accepted police customs and practice in dealing with park gatherings to make control of outside people easier. The 1st Amendmant has a way of allowing outsiders to incite riots and such and so those outsiders have to be controled...dont cha know......that EVIL 1st Amendmant lets christians speak the gospel in earshot of gays and lesbians. Then after the fact the procedures can be dragged throught the courts one way or the other and the cops involved dissapere back into the ranks.

The article gets into free speech zones and suspended constitution zones which regularly get shot to watermelon on university campuses when they try that crap. These pastors just need to document enough of this to get the right law groups interested. The 1st Amendmant cannot be suspended because a lesbian group and sympathetic lesbian cops want it to.

From the article....

Christensen later found the exact permit Narducci referenced, which she had used to banish pastors from sidewalks surrounding the park. Upon reading the permit, Christensen said, "There was nothing there that excluded anyone carrying other messages or any person in general from entering the park. She was basically ad-libbing."

lazs2 · « **Reply #14 on:** June 25, 2007, 08:56:46 AM »

xmarine.. a permit to use a public park does not give the permit holder the right to pick and choose who is in the park... much less on the sidewalk surrounding the park.

crockett gave a poor example.. the convention center for the republicans was rented out. At that point.. they were the landlords for as long as the rental agreement stood.

lazs